Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mario Magnotta (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Modussiccandi (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Mario Magnotta
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clearly not notable enough, sourcing lacking, status as "internet celebrity" not borne out. Acousmana 14:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 23:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Italy. Shellwood (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Random Internet meme, I would say. Fails WP:NBIO. Kirbanzo  (talk - contribs) 20:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not a fan of Wikipedia becoming a repository for memes, but the sourcing is certainly impressive. The Italian version lists obituaries in la Repubblica, Il Messaggero, and il Centro as well as to continuing coverage before his death. Atchom (talk) 17:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE nomination, the subject passed GNG at the time of the first nomination and still passes GNG today. In the meanwhile he was also the subject of a graphic novel (new sources covering both the subject and the graphic novel include GQ, la Repubblica , Leggo  ). This is a very recent article about him.  As a side note, calling him a meme is somewhat inaccurate for someone who emerged in the 1980s, when the word meme had not yet been coined. Cavarrone  10:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: The word "meme" was introduced in Richard Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene, published in 1976. However, it did not yet have its usual modern sense in the 1980s. Gildir (talk) 09:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep although it may be hard for people outside of Italy to grasp the significance. I don't think this should be called a "meme" or an "internet phenomenon". It really speaks to much older traditions, which is obvious from the dedication of a song about "Piero" - the Italian "sad sack" character who always loses but keeps going. Magnotta clearly became a symbol in that culture. Note: many of the links (e.g. Repubblica) give me a 404, so if someone has access to those it would be good to archive them, or at least give a full citation. Lamona (talk) 15:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


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