Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mario T Barri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. bainer (talk) 02:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Mario T Barri
Unverified stub about a supposed Filipino movie director (ie, directing Filipino movies, not that he is Filipino - there's no way of telling that, as he is unverifiable). There is a Filipino actor called Mario Barri, who should have an article yet doesn't. Unfortunately, there's no way of telling if telling for sure that this refers to the same person, and I don't think guesswork is appropriate. I'm noting that this article is for a director, and Mario Barri (with no T) was an actor, which also weighs against this being the same guy. Anyway, back on track. This fails WP:V, which is the bare minimum requirement for any article. Ergo, delete. Please note that this AfD in no way implies that non-Western 1950s pop culture people are any less (or more) notable than their Western counterparts, because God knows that's always the first accusation when you try and AfD an unverifiable and ugly hellpit of redlinks. Proto   ||    type    14:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Keep per JJay and Monicasdude Jcuk 22:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified and cleaned up. -- Krash (Talk) 14:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable. --Ter e nce Ong 15:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Original author created many small articles which met the the-current verifiability policy. WP:V does not require online sources, and enough of the already-contested pages have proved accurate. Whatever the AfD nominator may say, the consequences of this campaign is to exclude large swathes of non-Western popular culture from Wikipedia by the moral equivalent of Wikilawyering -- and the same standard hasn't been applied retroactively to recent Western popular cultrue articles. And I don't see any "hellpit of redlinks" listed among the valid criteria for deletion; if they bother you that much, just unlink them. So fix it. Monicasdude 16:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If a reference can be provided then I will happily withdraw the nomination. Note that I am actively trying to create articles on Filipino film here (see, for example, Giliw Ko), not delete 'swathes of non-Western popular culture'.  If an article has no references, then, unfortunately, we do have to rely upon online sources.  All articles must be verifiable.     Proto    ||    type    11:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Mario Barri is a well known filipino actor and director. One of his claims to fame being that he gave Fernando Poe, Jr. his first big break. All of his films are verifiable on the net. For example here where he is clearly listed as director. . Of course, this demands some effort and knowledge, because Manila is not Hollywood. On a side note, I see the same articles nominated, prodded, then renominated. Once again, I say there is no reason to destroy our incipient coverage of the Filipino film industry. The denigration of other cultures needs to stop. -- JJay 18:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, if a reference to Mario T Barri can be provided then I will happily withdraw the nomination. There is no verifiable proof that this is the same person.  This is a similar situation to Articles for deletion/Herminio Bautista - all articles must be verifiable.     Proto    ||    type    11:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * keep verifiability claims made by Monicasdude and JJay hold up. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 21:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. If JJay says it must be so. Herostratus 02:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep verifiable. &mdash;-- That Guy, From That Show!  (talk) 2006-03-10 04:52Z 
 * Comment I'm sorry, but is it verifiable? There's not a single reference.  You can't say 'no, this is verifiable', and then fail to provide a single reference or source.  At the moment, it's verifiable because JJay and Monicasdude say it is.  Again, if there's one single reference provided, I will withdraw this nomination, happily.    Proto    ||    type    11:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

'This AfD is being relisted to generate a clearer consensus. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks!' I think User:Proto's concerns have not been addressed, at least not well enough for me to be comfortable closing this (no one's actually replied to him, for example). I realize this doesn't happen all that often, but in the interest of making the right decision (whatever that may be), I'm relisting to allow for more discussion. W.marsh 01:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why is the reference above not good enough? Or the IMDB page ? Or all the google hits? . The nom refuses to accept any evidence and has repeatedly tried to delete this page based on a middle initial. I can't believe that justifies extending this debate. -- JJay 01:46, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The list of movies attributed to Mario T Barri in this article does not seem to correspond at all with the list of movies attributed to Mario Barri on IMDB. Like I said... there just seem to be some issues here that have yet to be addressed. --W.marsh 01:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment. It's quite strange. Most of the movies listed in the article appear nowhere on IMDB. The ones that do don't mention Barri, but they are largely devoid of credits. "Anak ni Palaris" (Anak ng Palaris in imdb) doesn't mention Barri, but does mention Fernando Poe. Other film names appear to be spelled wrong ("Song of Sto. Thomas"). It looks like somebody made an article about a legitimate figure with a lot of questionable or downright false information. Can it be kept and throughly re-edited by somebody who actually knows about this person's career? Carlo 02:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows that Barri directed Anak ni Palaris. I mentioned that above and the info was included in all of the FPJ obits such as this . -- JJay 02:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.