Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marion Crane (band)


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The result was   delete. Kevin (talk) 00:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Marion Crane (band)

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Contested speedy deletion for an article about a new band; asserts some importance but still doesn't seem to meet wp:MUSIC. Tikiwont (talk) 19:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —Tikiwont (talk) 18:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - article does not meet any of the criteria at WP:BAND and further fails WP:N ("significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject") as the cited sources appear to be all published by the band themselves. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The cited sources were not written by the band. The articles that were written have all been credited to writers - NOT anyone in the band. They are popular publication the Northeastern Florida market. Tom02lithium (talk) 03:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Further review of WP:BAND finds that this article meets two criteria (only one needed). "Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.
 * This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries"

The articles were not written by the band themselves, and there are printed versions of the articles that are disseminated throughout northeast Florida.

This articles ALSO meets the criteria of this:

"7. # Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability."

This band has become one of the most popular (if not THE most popular) original band in Jacksonville, a city with rich musical history (Lynyrd Skynrd, Molly Hatchet, Limp Bizkit, Shinedown, Cold, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus). The independent articles demonstrate this fact.Tom02lithium (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the sources do indeed not seem to be self-published. Nevertheless, Examiner.com is more like a blog and the EU Jacksonville is a monthly freely distributed entertainment guide, something which exists in most bigger cities and lives from extensively covering the local scene. As for the pint 7 that is in my opinion intended as a rough measure but the examples you mention actually show that they still have some way to go before coming close to being "the most prominent representative of the Jacksonville music scene (different from popular) and the cites consistently label them " talented local band", "Another band bringing great pride unto our city", "may be Jacksonville's next metal band to 'make it big'", which again would be more convincing if brought up in more solid refs. I don't think we should join the hype yet. --Tikiwont (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The only independent, reliable source cited is http://www.eujacksonville.com/. (Consensus at WP:RSN is that examiner.com is no better than a blog). I'd need to see media attention by more than the just the local alt weekly before believing that WP:BAND#1 is fulfilled and a wikipedia article is justified. Yilloslime T C  22:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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