Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark A. Heckler


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The result was keep. John254 00:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Mark A. Heckler

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Unnotable university president of a private university. Fails WP:BIO as he has not "been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." A few "news" items from local papers and the university websites, but those do not meet the requirements for being "intellectually independent." Additionally, he has not "received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them" and he has not "made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record" in his field. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 08:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.   —--  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 08:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete No reliable and independant sources found on google and no results on google news. Because of this I think the article fails human notability criteria. —Atyndall &#91;citation needed&#93; 08:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep first, all presidents of higher education institutions are considered notable her, as shown by previous afds, and agreement on this in the pending revision of WP:PROF. Saves the trouble of arguing just how large a university counts. The reason is that they are not appointed unless there's some pre=-existing notability: he, for example, has been full Professor of theater at two significant institutions, and I'll add some relevant material about that. DGG (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * three refs added on his professional activities--he turns out to have been the President of the major professional organization in his subject. That's just 5 minutes at Google Scholar. Why didn't the nom. look? DGG (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen anything yet saying Google Scholar is considered WP:RS, so I don't look there. I'm starting to wonder if you are following me lately...you seem to pop on every CSD, PROD, and AfD I do...-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 23:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I've been on discussions with DGG before myself. Can't say that we've always agreed (we probably have disagreed more than agreed) but that's OK.  The user has never been anything but cordial.  I doubt that the user is "following you around" intentionally, but may (like me) troll through the AFDs a lot, looking for places to make comments where help can be given.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, per DGG. University presidents, even for small universities, are generally considered academically notable. Nsk92 (talk) 17:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as deletion would require that this article be unimprovable, a conclusion I find highly unlikely based on what little's already documented. Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Although I wouldn't call this a "small" university (it isn't "huge" either), College and University Presidents both past and present have been considered notable for some time now on Wikipedia.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. Google Scholer is certainly not a RS, but it is a darn convenient tool for finding them. --Crusio (talk) 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Absolutely keep. This article will continue to be improved and his status increasingly notable, especially as a recently instated President of a fairly well-known university. Triberocker (talk) 03:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


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