Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Abis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. WP:MUSICBIO #10, inclusion in compilation album. لenna vecia  04:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark Abis

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BLP with no sources (someone added a MySpace page and acted like it was a reliable source, removing the BLP unsourced tag). Based upon the unsourced info given in the article, individual's only shot at notability is having written a song recorded by someone else that was played in some capacity or another on some TV shows -- failing WP:MUSIC/WP:CREATIVE etc. quite dramatically. DreamGuy (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - This singer/sonwriter passes WP:CREATIVE as evidenced by the several independent reviews that have now been added into the article. Additionally, his songwriting talents are notable as evidenced by his song "Summerbreeze" being covered by a notable artist, and for being featured on notable TV Shows and the Buffy soundtrack album, in addition to other compilation releases.Varbas (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you actually read WP:CREATIVE? Because even if we are to be generous and count those supposed sources (MySpace? You're kidding, right?) as reliable, proving that a song someone wrote was played on TV is nothing like demonstrating that he himself is notable in any way, shape or form. At best you might be making headway in trying to demonstrate that the song could be notable, but notability is not inherited and this person is not notable in the slightest. DreamGuy (talk) 14:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Attacking me personally is not useful to this discussion. Varbas (talk) 05:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Making recommendations on how you can educate yourself to try be less ignorant of our policies is not a personal attack. DreamGuy (talk) 17:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please abide by your Editing restrictions that have been placed on you by the Arbitration Committee. Varbas (talk) 04:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How is giving you helpful information supposed to be a violation of anything? Oh, but that response reminds me of something else. DreamGuy (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: Note that User:Varbas is currently under investigation as a possible sockpuppet of a banned user. Please weigh that when closing this AFD as appropriate (perhaps the investigation will have been concluded at that time). DreamGuy (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: No, he isn't.  He was, but the investigation has concluded with no sanctions against Varbas.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  01:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you are mistaken. See Sockpuppet_investigations/Azviz, which is still open at this time and concerns Varbas and other accounts. DreamGuy (talk) 17:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete clear fail of creative. Yes, i will also contest a myspace page as helpful in establishing notability or allowing for independent verification of claims made for this blp.Bali ultimate (talk) 20:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:18, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep. Passes WP:MUSIC #10 by being part of a compilation outside of his released album.  Of course, it looks as if his song Summerbreeze is more notable than the artist. ZabMilenko 06:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. These do not seem like reliable sources to me.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  01:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe http://billboard.com to be reliable for the purpose of determining if the artist is part of a compilation album. Data is provided by All Media Guide, a very notable provider of such information. ZabMilenko 01:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * They are behind pay walls, but there appears to be at least brief mentions of him in the Western Gazette (Mar 9, 2006) and the Central Somerset Gazette (Dec 7, 2006). Other than that, the article "Student choice at the fringe", Bath Chronicle, 2007-05-25, p. 8, says in part "folk artist Mark Abis... plays weighty acoustic ballads and soft summery songs." Taken together, it's at least a slight indication of WP:GNG notability. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources are limited and questionable - Vartanza (talk) 05:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc.". Box ticked. Without a good place to redirect, we should keep this article. Fences and windows (talk) 00:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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