Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Asay


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As this is a BLP, and nobody has explicitly put forward a direct argument for keeping, deleting seems the best option. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:36, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Mark Asay

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WP:1EVENT applies. Appears to fail WP:CRIME. red dogsix (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per WP:NOTNEWS. The majority of the coverage is localized, centered around the state of Florida's press. Being on death row is not a case for instant notability. A WP:DIVERSE group of sources need to be established but I am not finding that at this time.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 07:59, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - It is not just Florida media that reported this. There is a BBC News story about this case here. This mentions at least two things ("Mark Asay is the first white man in state history to be executed for killing a black victim, according to the Death Penalty Information Center") and ("It was the first time a new drug cocktail was used") that suggest that the article subject might be noteworthy. There is a similar CNN story here. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment The reason for this AfD is WP:1EVENT and WP:CRIME. Those guidelines say: "...is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written..." and "...is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be..."


 * This subject is notable for being the first white man in the state to be executed for killing a black victim, and, for being the first to receive this controversial drug cocktail. Well, those are two things, so 1EVENT should not apply.


 * This subject is notable for something other than the criminal event itself, i.e. the manner of execution. So, CRIME should not apply.


 * If I hear a good counter-argument, I may !vote delete, otherwise, keep may end up being my position. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm undecided on this one too. I don't think we should give much weight for "the first white man executed for killing a black man in Florida" angle - I'm not sure this was really verified (though it has been claimed and repeated - it actually isn't that easy to verify - post 1976 perhaps is easier, pre Furman probably not easy at all). One could argue that the crime and execution is 1 event - just as a crime and trial are one event, or a crime, trial and incarceration are one event. Yes - the execution in the current current American legal system is a prolonged legal affair which occurs long after initial sentencing - but so is incarceration. Is being the first to be executed with a new drug significant? Or is the drug significant? Note that this is some really "new fangled drug" - it is the replacement of the anaesthetic midazolam with etomidate - both of which are well known and widely used. The 2 other components of the cocktail (which actually kill - rocuronium bromide and potassium acetate) aren't really new. I don't think this really confers notability on the killer. He does have a Harvard Law Review from this year - . I don't see all that much coverage (hard to tell, mainly since sidebar hits pollute/swamp by-date filters - which is an indication there wasn't much) in the past prior to the execution itself. Most of the people on List of individuals executed in Florida don't have a blue link. I'm leaning to a Delete here, but sitting out, what missing in my mind - is coverage prior to the execution run-up - and this is missing from the article. If this were a case that generated actual coverage (e.g. the case itself was notable per WP:NCRIME back in 1987 and thereabout - I would perhaps go for keep.Icewhiz (talk) 19:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Icewhiz. What say makes good sense. I'll sit on the fence for a while and hear from others too. Many thanks for the thoughtful response. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:28, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note the claim that the Miami Herald actually makes is that he would become the first "white person convicted of killing a black person" to be "put to death" for murder "In the 41 years since Florida reinstated the death penalty". . Text of article makes an inaccurate claim.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:10, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete this non-notable criminal. Crime appears to have received no press attention at all at the time it was committed or during the trial.  Nothing at all appears in a proquest news search in his name in th2 1980s, when the crime was committed.  The first mention I can locate is in a 1991 article in the St. Petersburg Times, 12 Fla. death row appeals rejected  Each of the 12 gets a laconic sentence,  "Mark Asay, convicted of fatally shooting Robert Lee Booker and Robert McDowell on July 18, 1987, in Duval County."  article fails WP:NCRIME and WP:BIO1E.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If some sort of legal notability inheres to one of his legal appeals, it belongs in Capital punishment in Florida.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


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