Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Caldwell


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The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark Caldwell

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Non-notable autobiography. Googling does not show any related hits in the first few pages other than a MobyGames profile. Ham Pastrami (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet the standards for an autobiographical article (no promotional intent, primarily).  Citi Cat   ♫ 02:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge to Might and Magic and to Midway. MuZemike (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A thorough Google search indicates a number of hits. Including him appearing at the Midway's Gamers Day 2007 as Midway's Exec Producer, accepting a Video Game BAFTA (official page is here 2) for Strategy game, appearing on the Hour of Victory show (and here), responding to comments in the media about new AMD technology and again here, and the original press release from AMD.  Theres also some references to him with his involvement on Might and Magic on Gameasutra (one's here, but theres more).  He's the Executive Producer at Midway.  He has extensive credits as an executive producer, at both Midway and at IMDB.  I think his article could use some editing, but theres plenty of media about him out there.  I mean if accepting a BAFTA as an Executive Producer isn't notable... what is? Icemotoboy (talk) 05:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hour of Victory is not a "show", it's a game, for which he conducted a press interview as part of his job duties. The BAFTA award was for the game Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War, and the BAFTA webpage inexplicably lists Caldwell as the "production company" which is an apparent error. Caldwell himself was not being awarded for being a producer. All of his other quotations in the press are, attributable to his job title, and are within the context of a game that he was responsible for talking to the press about. None of these sources constitute significant coverage of Mark Caldwell; he is not the subject of any of these articles. If, however, receiving press time in the course of performing one's job duties qualifies for notability, I will concede the point: yes, he has spoken to the press a bit. Ham Pastrami (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's common form for BAFTA "Production Company" credit to contain the name of the key figure(s) listed in production, because the film industry standards are simply applied as they are to the Video Game industry. With the present hiatus of Video Game BAFTA's, we may see a change with this in future.  Hence the developer has previously been listed as the "broadcaster".  From the 2006 Nomination's you'll note that Sid Meyer was listed in as a production company recipient for Civilization IV Warlords Expansion, which lost out along with Medieval II (quite a noteworthy event given the strength of the Civ4 license) to Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War.  I'm not assuming this is an autobiograpgical article, and while I agree it needs work, there does appear to be verifable primary, secondary, and tertiary references to him.  WP:Notability (people) guideline suggests a person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Whether he is or is not notable would appear to come down to the consesus that we can come too.  Producers in the game industry are in some ways similar to producers in the film and television industries.  The additional criteria suggests that someone who has won such an award may be notable.  While he was not awarded the BAFTA personally, his position on the development team was such that he was chosen to accept the award.  The guideline for entertainers suggests that those who "...had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions" are probably notable.  I would propose that an Executive Producer, as first billed, often highest paid, and usually the major PR representative - is a significant role in game development.  Summary: In this case, he had a significant role in the development of a notable game that received a BAFTA, in addition to other sources for other reasons. Icemotoboy (talk) 03:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not-notable. Many hundreds of people contribute to a game, no way to know to what extent he earned the award, or if he is just the least shy from his office of nerds.Yobmod (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per above TALKIN   PIE EATER   REVIEW ME  15:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


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