Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Dalton (pornographic actor)


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The result was   keep. Tone 18:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Mark Dalton (pornographic actor)

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Fails WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject might otherwise satisfy the GNG. Poorly sourced, devoting much of its text to the subject's non-notable career as a petty criminal, mostly domestic violence. (As the relevant discussion here sets out, the "multiple years" portion of WP:PORNBIO was not intended to be satisfied in a case where the eligibility period for awards varied, but the nominations were made for the same release.) Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep plenty of coverage.  C T J F 8 3  chat 19:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep passes PORNBIO as currently defined. This has been raised as an artificial test case (see diff) as a means of circumventing a proper consensus process for this personal interpretation of the notability guidelines. Ash (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that due to a change in the disambiguation part of the article name, this is actually the third nomination for deletion of the article, see:
 * Articles for deletion/Mark Dalton (porn star)
 * Articles for deletion/Mark Dalton (porn star) (second nomination)
 * — Ash (talk) 20:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- Ash (talk) 19:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete He fails WP:PORNBIO because the 2002 Grabby Awards were held in 2003, so he hasn't received nominations in multiple years. His only piece of non-trivial reliable independent coverage is about his conviction, which isn't quite enough to pass WP:GNG in my opinion. Epbr123 (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How so? He appears to pass 1,2, and 4.  C T J F 8 3  chat 20:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Which award has he won and which mainstreams films has he been in? Epbr123 (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The 2 awards here, and he has coverage in Dallas Voice, Playgirl, I'll have to check the others later to see how trivial they are.  C T J F 8 3  chat 21:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The article clearly states they were just award nominations. Pornbio 4 means that someone has to have performed or modelled in mainstream films, TV shows or magazines; it doesn't refer to mainstream news coverage. Epbr123 (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 says "received nominations for well-known awards in multiple years" and if 4 means what you say it means, PORNBIO needs to specify that.  C T J F 8 3  chat 06:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already explained why he doesn't pass 2. Epbr123 (talk) 12:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Switch to keep now that further sources have been added. Passes GNG, although the article has far too many unreliable sources. Epbr123 (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep but improve sourcing, especially of the arrest/alleged criminal information. Subject meets GNG between his modeling, porn, the award nom, the arrests, and the Playgirl listing. Per BLP we should work to source all the alleged criminal bits and let the sourcing state what he did, not us. -- Banj e  b oi   21:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added some to alleviate the concern. -- Banj e  b oi   22:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Screen Door Jesus may be his non-porn debut. It was shot near his home between arrests but It can't tell if it 's the same Mark Dalton who plays Duane. -- Banj e  b oi   22:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, subject meets requirements 1, 2, and 4 of the PORNBIO guideline.
 * Keep, subject is one of the most highly notable (and popular) queer porn actors; if the article is lacking more on that, then more work is needed and more sources should be sought. "non-notable career as a petty criminal, mostly domestic violence" is a disparaging comment and harshly POV.  The only reason those news items exist is BECAUSE he was a notable porn actor.Skookum1 (talk) 14:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.21.253 (talk) 00:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.