Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark DeMontis


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The result was delete. Tone 20:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Mark DeMontis

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WP:BLP of a person "notable" primarily as a candidate in a forthcoming election. As always, this is not a claim of notability that gets a person into Wikipedia -- he has to win the election and thereby get sworn in as an MP to become notable as a politician, and the only way he gets an article any earlier than election day is if he was already notable enough for an article for other reasons before being selected as a candidate for anything. But founding an orgainzation is not a notability freebie either -- to get an article on that basis, he would have to have been the subject of enough reliable source coverage in that role to clear WP:GNG -- but all of the references being cited for that work are primary sources that do not count as support for notability. The only reference here that actually represents media coverage at all is a single hit on the candidacy itself, which is not nearly enough to make his candidacy more special than everybody else's candidacies. No prejudice against recreation on or after October 20 if he wins, but nothing here entitles him to already have an article today. Additionally, it warrants mention that the article was created by a virtual WP:SPA who seems to exist only to start articles about nominated Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the forthcoming election. Bearcat (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Likely notable for his trip across Canada and for his creation of the Canadian Blind Hockey Association. Kevinhanit (talk) 15:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC) Kevinhanit (talk) 18:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Article now has additional sources and needs to be looked at by nominator. Bearcat to see if this should be speedily closed. Kevinhanit (talk) 18:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What's been added is not enough to change the equation here. GNG is not just "as soon as the number of media hits in the article meets or exceeds two", but also tests for depth and range and context. It doesn't include Q&A interviews in which the subject is the speaker, so "Blind hockey players, Ottawa 67's hit the ice" doesn't help at all — he has to be the thing being spoken about, not the person who's doing the speaking, for a source to assist in establishing his notability. Short blurbs aren't substantive coverage — so "Blind hockey rolling across east" would be fine for verification of stray facts if the notability question had already been covered off by stronger sources, but is not a notability-making source. So the only new source that's actually getting us anywhere at all is "Prime Minister to honour blind hockey player", but that source doesn't get us to the finish line all by itself as the only substantive and reliable source in play. Even in terms of establishing that he had preexisting notability as an organizational founder, it still takes considerably more substantive coverage than this is even attempting to show. Bearcat (talk) 18:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Failed provincial candidate and future federal candidate do not meet WP:NPOL. Use of Wikipedia as free election advertising would violate WP:PROMO. Bkissin (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


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