Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Draycott


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The result was withdrawn by nominator. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 11:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark Draycott

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Player fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-pro league. Contested PROD. GiantSnowman 17:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep. The USL's normally very reliable stats archive is unfortunately incomplete for Wilmington's 2003 season - http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2003/22403.html - and I don't know of another source where I would find the data that would allow him to pass WP:ATHLETE. I have to admit that when I created the article I based the info purely on what Mark told me - I met him when he played in the USL PDL for Ventura County Fusion - and he said he had played in at least a couple of league games for Wilmington. Having said that, clearly "he told me so it must be true" cannot be used as a valid source, so if we can't find any more sources, so be it. --JonBroxton (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, verbal confirmation from the player in question is not acceptable on Wikipedia. A printed, third-party source must be found. GiantSnowman 17:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep because two of his teams appear to be professional teams, according to this edit summary in which the PROD was declined. Unless the nominator can offer an explanation for why those don't count, I see no reason to delete. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 17:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is whether he actually PLAYED or not. There's no doubt whatsoever that he was in the squad, but WP:ATHLETE requires you to have actually taken part in a game. Mark told me personally that he played in a couple of games for Wilmington, but I can find no online source to confirm this. --JonBroxton (talk) 17:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And as I've said to Jon, if a source CAN be found saying that he actually played a game (as opposed to being just in the squad), then I'm more than happy to withdraw the nom. GiantSnowman 17:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment He made some substitute appearances in these games, but I don't know if the teams playing were professional or not -   Camw (talk) 00:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha! These appearances for Wilmington ARE in the USL Second Division, which is indeed a fully professional league. I believe these are the appearances Mark was referring to - I just got my year wrong (they were in 2004, not 2003). Thank you for digging this up!. --JonBroxton (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that's me happy that he actually does pass WP:ATHLETE, and so I withdraw my nomination. GiantSnowman 01:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
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