Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Fisher (civil servant)


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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Mark Fisher (civil servant)

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Non-notable civil servant - Mooonswimmer 14:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:50, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:27, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe he passes wp:anybio "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor," He was awarded a CBE in 2010, source The Times Date: Thursday, Dec. 31, 2009 Issue: 69832 Page: 57 "Christopher Mark Fisher director, jobseekers and skills, Employment Group, Department for Work and Pensions" Piecesofuk (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not aware that OBE is sufficient for notability. The OBE site itself says There are more than 100,000 living members of the Order throughout the world. The Grenfell inquiry was a large undertaking, but within the normal scope of civil service. I think him mentioned in articles about the inquiry, but not significantly about him. Lamona (talk) 18:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That is the overall number of the members of the order, the vast majority of whom are the lower-ranked MBEs or OBEs. The subject here is a CBE, not an OBE. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's the list for 2010 that includes him: Honours list 2010. There are over 100 people in the CBE category. While I think the CBE can be in support of notability, I do not think it is sufficient for notability. We still need at least two strong, in depth, reliable sources that are primarily about him. Lamona (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Soft delete For someone so linked with the Grenfell inquiry I would expect it to be much easier to find good sources, but I've come up lacking.-- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Clearly notable for his CBE, which we have generally considered to count per WP:ANYBIO. A couple of hundred people a year in a country of 66 million is not many! Obviously considered to be notable by people who understand what real notability is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the CBE counts towards WP:ANYBIO due to the award being an elevated award in the Order. Equine-man (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Soft delete as per User:ActivelyDisinterested - I don't accept that a CBE unsupported by sources, as in this instance, does the trick by itself. Where are the sources? Ingratis (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It's entirely supported by sources. The first one listed, in fact. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * But in case you (bizarrely) don't accept that his official government biography is a reliable source, I've added a link to the 2010 New Year Honours where it was gazetted. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


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