Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Hallman


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mark Hallman

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Recording engineer, producer, and session musician whose sole claim to notability appears to be a single article in Rolling Stone in 1977 that describes his (non-notable) band's association with Carole King. Even that link appears on a third-party website, not RS's, although the article may be genuine. The other sources are not considered reliable (AllMusic, etc.) The discography, while massive, consists almost entirely of work as a recording engineer and session musician, with some credits as producer, but again, is completely unsourced. The entire page appears to have been designed carefully in a short period of time to overwhelm the reader with information, as if the size of it will confer notability. It does not, in my opinion. Rockypedia (talk) 15:05, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  sst  ✈  15:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * comment I respectfully disagree. I have just begun this page and will be adding more content to it in the next few weeks. There is a film coming out this spring about this very humble artist. The third party site is Cameron Crowe's personal site - the author of the Rolling Stone article who (look him up) is extremely notable. Mark has been name checked on TWENTY SEVEN other Wikipedia pages. SnowyOwl512 (talk) 05:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOTINHERITED Rockypedia (talk) 04:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * comment I am not sure if I have a voice in this discussion as I am the creator of this page but strongly request a KEEP. I have added a few more links and updated content including his winning two years in a row Producer of the Year at the Austin Music Awards held at the SXSW Music Conference. Most of Mark Hallman's interviews are pre-internet. I replaced the original Rolling Stone link I had to another link - it was syndicated in the New York Times and other publications as well and written by Cameron Crowe.  The Austin Chronicle interview - http://www.austinchronicle.com/music/1996-11-08/525544/ is lengthy. He personally produced three albums for Carole King, performed in her band alone and as a part of Navarro, which served as her backing band. Navarro themselves are notable, releasing two albums on Capitol Records in the '70s, although they do not yet have a page. There is more information I am in the process of researching about Mark Hallman's association with Dan Fogelberg as well. I reduced the discography to the bare bones and will find further articles if necessary. SnowyOwl512 (talk) 00:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You most certainly do have a voice here! Bold that keep!!! --MurderByDeletionism"bang!" 18:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I moved some references around and did a copy edit -- I agree that the article initially overstated his significance.  But notability has been established;  the Austin Chronicleis a reliable source, and Hallman is featured prominently in the Rolling Stone article.  PBS and Billboard  confirm that he did in fact produce Carole King, not just work with her as a musician or engineer.  Also - just as an aside - Navarro passes WP:NMUSIC if only because they released two albums on Capital.  I suspect they would also pass WP:GNG but it would require digging since they broke up in 70s.  JSFarman (talk) 15:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per JSFarman. Passes WP:NMUSIC. --MurderByDeletionism"bang!" 18:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


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