Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Horton (bridge)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  00:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Mark Horton (bridge)

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There is no WP:NBRIDGE guideline. Suggestions have been made that anyone who has won five major contract bridge events, or who has competed as a national representative in a major international tournament, pass it. I can find no evidence that Horton meets any of those suggested WP:NBRIDGE thresholds. In the absence of a guideline agreed after discussion and WP:CONSENSUS: WP:GNG and WP:NBIO apply as defaults.

He is the editor of the current incarnation of Bridge Magazine. However, he cannot WP:INHERIT notability from that.

A WP:BEFORE search turned up nothing specifically about Horton except the two citations in Mark Horton (bridge). IMO neither of those gets him through any of WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, and WP:NCRIME.

This has been a long-winded nomination. For the avoidance of doubt, my vote is for delete.

(I haven't tried to notify article creator User:Wispity, who has been inactive since 2009.)

Full disclosure. I have played against Horton at the bridge table, although more than a decade ago. I would say, that I have met him but do not know him. Whoever closes this debate should bear in mind any possible bias on my part. Narky Blert (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I would say that his editorship of Bridge Magazine and other activities in the world of bridge are enough to make him notable, assuming that there are suitable citations for them. However it's not a very satisfactory article, as it seems to "big him up" somewhat, so that I have the suspicion that he might have written some of it himself. JH (talk page) 09:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep There is no doubt that he is well known internationally as a contract bridge writer. The article was previously nominated for deletion with the outcome of 'no consensus'. The recent accusations of plagiarism only go to support retention IMHO, heightening interest in the individual, not diminishing it. In any case, proof of guilt in unethical or criminal behaviour should not be the basis for deletion of an article, else many articles of far more nefarious people would be deleted. The deficiencies in the article are no worse than that in many articles and it should remain available for correction and improvement. Newwhist (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "The deficiencies in the article are no worse than that in many articles and it should remain available for correction and improvement." That argument is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Narky Blert (talk) 00:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment by nom. This "he is or must be well known" is all very well. Where are the WP:RS sources? because they aren't in the article. Narky Blert (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The obvious place to look would be the Encyclopaedia of Bridge. Unfortunately my own copy is the 5th edition of 1994, and doesn't have an entry for him. Does anyone have a more recent edition? The British Bridge Almanack, published in 2004, lists him on page 153 as being the current editor of Bridge Magazine. JH (talk page) 09:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * He is listed in the 7th edition of The Official Encyclopedia of Bridge (2011). His entry is on page 215 of the bibliographies and results CD and he is listed under the category 'Other Notable Personalities".


 * It states, in part (full attribution): "...he formed a partnership with Richard Winter and they rapidly rose to the top, winning in rapid succession a host of major events, including the Life Master Pairs, the Grandmaster Pairs, Crockford’s Cup and the Spring Foursomes. Their success earned them invitations to overseas events and they won both the famous Hoechst Team tournament and the Dunhill Cup. They represented England on numerous occasions and were on the Great Britain team in the World Championships in Albuquerque in 1994." The listing also speaks to his stature in chess and as a bridge writer.


 * I consider this source sufficiently reliable to establish notability. Newwhist (talk) 11:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep He is one of the leading Bridge writer from Britian, he is getting secondary coverage as stated above due to the scandal. Just because an article isn't a GA or FA ,doesn't mean it should be deleted if it is notable. JC7V  -constructive zone  04:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Inclusion in the encyclopedia of bridge and satisfaction of GNG makes him acceptable for wikipedia. --1l2l3k (talk) 13:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.