Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Kern


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The result was keep. The Delete !votes are pretty much "not notable" without explanation and without addressing the sourcing unearthed by Satellizer ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  15:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Mark Kern

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Doesn't seem to be enough here for a standalone article. In its current state, the only information in here is that he used to work on World of Warcraft and that he used to work on Firefall. I'm not sure what could go into this article that couldn't be added to the articles on Firefall or World of Warcraft. Breadblade (talk) 16:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep, this person has received quite a bit of coverage by reliable sources, such as
 * Mark Kern reportedly fired from his job as CEO of Red 5 Studios, Gamasutra
 * Mark Kern addresses his departure from Red 5 Studios, Engadget
 * The rise and fall of Mark Kern: how one man may have doomed Firefall and The9 (UPDATED), TechInAsia
 * Red 5 co-founder Mark Kern steps down as CEO, VG247
 * Firefall dev CEO apologises for open beta woes, VG247
 * Kern: MMO noob zones cost about $430K per gameplay hour, VG247
 * Firefall boss feels MMO developers have “killed a genre” by catering to accessibility over achievement, VG247
 * Red 5 boss calls console model “broken”, “dead”, VG247
 * The last three sources I feel are especially interesting and can be used to write about his views on video gaming. Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  00:51, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. You're right that there isn't much that wouldn't also fit into other articles, but there is additionally enough coverage about his own views as a public figure to warrant his own article. There's actually enough from Engadget alone (and there are plenty more hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search, though many are duplicate coverage). czar ⨹   02:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not one source for his career history.--SimpleStitch (talk) 19:11, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Un-notable. Are we supposed to have a wiki page for every employee of every company in the world? Apparently the most exciting thing he's done is get fired, and plenty of people don't have pages for being fired.81.104.217.234 (talk) 02:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No comment on the aforementioned links? Specifically the Engadget link to their category of Kern-focused articles? czar ⨹   03:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete - Not enough sources for career history, not notable enough to be mentioned on the World of Warcraft page or any other game's pages except for Firefall.--Frybread (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Comment. Kern apparently has some involvement in the Gamergate controversy, which attracted attention from VG247.  Maybe all this ad up to notability? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 08:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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