Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Kritzman (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 03:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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This page appears to have been created to promote the proprietary interests of Windham Capital Management (which Mr. Kritzman Founded). Mr. Kritzman, while an accomplished businessman has a page that does not meet the criteria for WP:NACADEMICS or WP:NAUTHOR Calebu2 (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


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 * The concepts of Turbulence and Systemic Risk do not belong in a biography, are not evidence of notability and furthermore are entirely based on the prior Mahalanobis distance and PCA - their appearance here is as branded proprietary products of Windham Capital Management.


 * The journal publications listed are practitioner journals (rather than academic journals) on which Mr. Kritzman serves as an editor . With those self-referential pieces removed, the page fails to demonstrate sufficient independent evidence of notability.


 * And the book publications are insufficient for notability as WP:NAUTHOR.


 * As a benchmark for notability in this field, the following pioneers of risk management, while important to the field and each contributing significantly, do not yet rise to the level of notability for a broad encyclopedia:
 * Peter Zangari, creator of the RiskMetrics framework.
 * Barr Rosenberg and Walt McKibben, founders of Barra,Inc.
 * Andrew Ang, Professor at Columbia_University, BlackRock consultant and factor investing expert
 * Marcos Lopez De Prado, Professor at Cornell_University, Former AQR_Capital exec and leading expert in financial risk modeling.


 * The page appears to have been created from material directly from the About Our Founder page - the original listing by 200Boston contains a verbatim lift from this page.
 * Calebu2 (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete doesn't appear to satisfy WP:ACADEMIC, though there's issues with that notability guideline - looking through the sources, they're all links to lists of people on boards and don't discuss him directly. Fails WP:GNG, agree with the promotional concerns. SportingFlyer  T · C  02:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete- I agree with SportingFlyer's analysis of the sources. The sources, though seemingly numerous, are all pretty trivial. Reyk YO! 06:30, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not accept CVs as biographical articles.—S Marshall T/C 16:23, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Question  Prior to this, you've had a total of maybe 20 edits, the most recent being six years ago.  I'm curious why you picked getting this article deleted as your first thing to do when coming back to wikipedia after such a long absence.  Do you have some sort of relationship with the subject?  I closed the related DRV so I'm remaining neutral here, but I can't help but wondering about this.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Reasonable question and I hope I can give some clarity on my background, my knowledge of risk management and familiarity with Prof Kritzman and his research. I work in risk management and was doing research on risk measures, including the turbulence index when I found the page. Based on what I knew of Prof Kritzman and the techniques mentioned, I was surprised that they were presented in a biography, particularly (as I mentioned above) given other notable research/researchers that isn't highlighted in a broader encyclopedic setting.
 * I have no relationship to Prof Kritzman, his firm or other similar institutions (or any of the other academics/practitioners mentioned above). I am cognizant of the work of all the authors I mention above, and have been at conferences where I have seen most of them present (including Prof Kritzman). In the early 2000s, I did work at MIT but outside the business school where Prof Kritzman teaches and did not know of him when we overlapped.
 * Prof Kritzman's ideas are presented well in the research, are easily accessible to both technical and non-technical audiences (they are simplifications of more rigorous risk management techniques practiced more widely) and are definitely presented in a way that promotes a business product rather than a pure scientific discovery (this is common of most practitioner-based research in finance). As a business endeavor, I think that's fine - no different from the frameworks that MSCI Barra and Moody's put out - but I'm wary of this as concept that needs promoting on an encyclopedia, and warier still of promoting the author as notable contributor in this space. I'm generally a passive participant in Wikipedia (Mainly because figuring the interface out confuses me) but jump in if I see something that doesn't make sense or seem fair (e.g. I flagged what I knew to be plagiarism on a bio of Larry_Mullen_Jr. based on what I knew from the U2 fan community). I also learned about the importance of notability from my own submissions and am more attuned to this when reading Wikipedia. Calebu2 (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Mr. Kritzman is not a professor but a (non-tenured) senior lecturer. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 09:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The opening line alone is promotional instead of being encyclopedic. While editing might fix some of the issues, there is just no sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:31, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is clearly a business promotion text, unworthy of inclusion in an encyclopaedia. -The Gnome (talk) 19:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.