Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark O'Keefe


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The result was delete. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 11:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Mark O'Keefe

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Delete: -- thoroughly non-notable individual. Quis separabit? 02:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Montana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: there are quite a few Google hits - but none of them are for this O'Keefe. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Being a major party's non-winning candidate for state governor can be enough for an encyclopedia article if he's shown as the subject of enough reliable source coverage to clear WP:GNG, but it is not an automatic inclusion freebie that exempts him from having to have enough reliable source coverage to clear GNG. But this is completely unsourced, and literally identical to the original version from 2004 but for the toning-down of one WP:NPOV-violating adjective about the outgoing predecessor. What actually happened here is that about a year after it was first created, somebody hijacked it to be about a Hollywood screenwriter instead of the Montana gubernatorial candidate, and it remained about the screenwriter for 12 full years until it was reverted back to the gubernatorial candidate just over one week ago on the grounds that the screenwriter's notability wasn't properly sourced either. So no prejudice against recreation in the future if the politician or the screenwriter (or both) can be properly sourced as clearing their respective notability criteria, but our tolerance for unsourced BLPs is much, much lower than it was in 2004 and neither Mark O'Keefe was properly sourced at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak delete – Small coverage found in this Google Books search and routine mentions found in Google News following his opponents death do not constitute notability. There will, of course, be the routine election coverage in Montana but there may still be print sources found in major US newspapers but we cannot confirm that without a knowledgeable Montanan. Nothing in Google News Archive either.  J 947  (c · m)  00:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete having an article with no sources at all should prevent even the creation. We need to set up a mechanism so that all articles on creation have at least one source. Although there appears to be a very small amount of sourcing possible on this individual, it is not enough to show notability. Loosing a gubanatorial election can often be enough to make someone notable, but we need sustained, widespread coverage to show such. Also, it is a bit hard to say that. A large portion of people who are candidates for governor are people who are notable for other reasons, such as having been members of state legislatures, being major business figures like Dick De Vos, major lawyers like Geoffrey Fieger, holders of positions such as State Attorney General or Liutenant Governor, some are even current or former members of congress. So it is hard to say that these people are notable for their position as a candidate for governor. Thus James Moyle may or may not have been notable if he had only been a Democratic party candidate for Utah governor in 1900 and 1904, loosing both times. He had been a member of the Utah Territorial legislature, which almost certainly is grounds for notability, especially since he seems to have been a highly active member of the legislture. He has also been the subject of two published biographies, his role as president of the Eastern States Mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been covered in scholarly works possibly enough to propel notability (his work was heavily covered in an article on the LDS missionaries using radio for prosyletizing in the mid-20th-century), and his position as assistant secretary of the US treasury under Woodrow Wilson is more than likely a sign of notability. While this is often the level of general civic involvment that is why gubenatorial candidates are found to be notable, others lack such broad notability and there is no reason to have an article on them. An example of a truly non-notable candidate for governor is Mike Weinholtz, who was so not trying to win the election he did things engaged in bigotted religious attacks and then defended them in a way designed to outrage the majority of the electorate, akin to running for mayor of Detroit and then advertising in a show African-Americans viewed as offensive, and then instead of apologizing for giving the offense, doubling-down and saying those who were offended were out of line for being so. Moyle had to have turned over in his grave when Weinholtz did this, although it is a sign that the Ross Anderson wing of the party was not destroyed enough by Mr. Anderson's run for US president as an enemy of the two party system, the less power and influence Ross "I will endorse a move of Nordstrom as long as it hurts the LDS Church" Anderson has in the Utah Democratic Party, the better chances the party has of actually winning an election.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


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