Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Osei Kwasi Boamah Brown


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The result was   delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Mark Osei Kwasi Boamah Brown

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Restored as contested prod. Non-notable footballer who has yet to play in a fully-professional league J Mo 101 (talk) 11:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 12:07, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Restore with suggestions on efficient use of references - Hello All at Wikipedia admin, GiantSnowman and others in this talk!

I hope everyone is having a pleasant evening. Below I have summarised some of the key points which in relation to the general guides on notability for Wikipedia and other criteria, I feel there is enough evidence to keep the article. However, the endeavour of GiantSnowman has correctly pointed out that the article needs to be developed, and I am working on this with minimal skill so please give me time.

Please consider the following below:

General notability guideline: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list. Significant coverage, reliable, independent of the subject, and the significant coverage provides a presumption that the article is suitable for inclusion. Also, one a topic has been subject of significant coverage; this does not have to be ongoing.

Regarding the WIKI PROJECT FOOTBALL/FULLY PROFESSIONAL LEAGUES It does mention that: 'The lists are currently incomplete and some entries are lacking sources'

The Tercera Division along with the Segunda B Division of Spain ARE FULLY PORFFESIONAL. The confusion disputing this is understandable as the leagues are administered by province due to the size of Spain being very large. Every player from Real Madrid in La Liga, to La Gineta CF in the Tercera Division will sign the same professional forms but must indicate whether the team they are signing for plays in La Liga, Segunda, Segunda B, or Tercera Divison. The division below the Tercera Division is called The ‘Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol’ which represents the Spanish lower non-league divisions.

In regards to the player in Question: ‘Osei Kwasi Boamah Brown’. Reliable evidence of him ‘competing’ at a professional level can be found in the following references:

http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96525 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96611 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96582 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96601 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96573

These sources are objective and reliable as the information is from a quasi-governmental organisation for football known as the: Football Federation Castilla la Mancha, which updates all the football news from professional leagues and clubs within the region. As you can also see, the coverage is significant enough coverage to evidence that the article can be presumed to satisfy the criteria for a stand-a-lone article.

I have further references which I would like to add to the article but I’m struggling to do this and balance my hectic life at the moment so please stay patient as I try and update the article.

I will say, however, that the proposed deletion by GiantSnowman does highlight that maybe further sources are needed and the article may need a little more work. Pleas if any administrators including GiantSnowman could suggest ways where this article could be improved/rearranged etc in order for it to remain permanent in Wikipedia.

I thank you all for the time taken and would like you to know that I am sometimes unable to access the computer which is why it may take some time for me to respond. I appreciate all the patience thus far and look forward to hearing all feedback.

Kind regards,

Showerman-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supreme-2012 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Routine news such as match reports do not constitute significant coverage per WP:GNG. Furthermore, the Tercera Division is not fully professional (and as mentioned here, even the division above is only semi-professional). J Mo 101 (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep—Article claims he is a professional player, and the first reference states that he was "signed" to the team, so appears pro to me. If he is, then he meets WP:FOOTYN.  Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 19:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't use FOOTYN, we use fully-professional league - this player hasn't. GiantSnowman 19:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if we did use FOOTYN, he doesn't meet it anyway, because it requires the subject to have played for a fully professional club, which he hasn't -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above, but someone please slap a "historical" template on FOOTYN. I've been referring to it quite a while without ever noticing the little italics at the top.   Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 15:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Subject hasn't played in a fully professional league (i.e. one in which all players are full-time professional athletes, as opposed to part-timers with "day jobs" as well) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 23:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, article meets general notability guidelines as following ‘reliable and objective references’ are not just routine match reports and with the ‘significant coverage’ it can be reasonably presumed ‘not necessarily guaranteed’ that the person in question is notable. http://www.eldigitaldeportivo.es/articulos.asp?idarticulo=25095 http://www.futbolesta.com/p_equipo_SQL.asp?equipo=478 http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=27638 http://www.futbolesta.com/P_Ranking1_SQL.asp?idusu=&id=49305 http://www.tomellosocf.net/Guia%20Liga%2011-12.pdf (look at page 15) http://www.albadeporte.com/?p=2414 http://www.middlesexfa.com/News/2011/02/MIDDLESEXSENIORTEAMFINISHESONAHIGH.htm
 * Keep — Hi Guys! Hope everyone is ok.

Also, the references mentioned above are not match reports. They are statistics from the: Football Federation Castilla la Mancha.

http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96525 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96611 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96582 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96601 http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96573

Also, the following reference (http://www.spanishfootball.info/guide/league-structure/) from JM 101 is also contradicting and therefore unreliable. It claims that Segunda B and Tercera Division is not a national level league; but goes on to say in the text about Segunda B and Tercera Division: ‘… It should be pointed out that this is not a regional league per se…’.

What the article aims to do is to compare the Spanish system to the English. It shows that in regards to the English system, only La Liga and Segunda would be classed as National as they have equal comparison the premier league and the championship. It is clear that what is being said is that although the Tercera Division and Segunda B do have regions, this doesn’t mean it’s a regional league and is actually national level, although when compared to the English system it is not. We can’t rely on comparisons as each countries league format is specific to its Country- and the league format of Spain is specific to the large size of it’s country. The regional spanish division is the first truly regional league. Furthermore, the article explains how in Spain reserve teams can play in the league, which isn’t the case in England, further highlighting that the article is just comparing the English System and the Spanish.

With that said I agree with Livit⇑Eh?/What? That the reference: http://www.eldigitaldeportivo.es/articulos.asp?idarticulo=25095 claims the player is a professional and was ‘signed’ therefore meets WPFOOTYN as played at national level and signed professionally.

Again, I must stress that if anyone has any suggestions on how the article can be IMPROVED that would be useful. Thanks again for your time.

Kind regards,

Showerman-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.184.180 (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep !vote struck on the grounds that the above IP is presumably the same person as Supreme-2012. You are free to add additional comments, but please don't !vote more than once -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, admittedly my Spanish is rusty, but could you clarify where in that article it states that the player is a full-time professional footballer.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And finally, nobody is making any judgements on whether or not the Tercera Division is "national" or not, because it's not relevant. WP:NFOOTY requires that a player have played in a fully professional league.  Whether it is national or not is not relevant.  Do you have a reliable source that states that the Tercera is fully professional (i.e. all players on all teams are full-time professional footballers, not part-timers).........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Showerman hasn't yet provided a reliable source claiming that the Tercera League is professional. Thus, the player fails WP:NFOOTY as he hasn't played in a fully professional league. Fails WP:GNG as well. – Kosm  1  fent  20:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - looking at the sources provided, I find the following:
 * http://www.futbolesta.com/p_equipo_SQL.asp?equipo=478- merely includes the player's name in a listing of players, not significant coverage
 * http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=27638 - "profile" with no content other than his name, not significant coverage
 * http://www.futbolesta.com/P_Ranking1_SQL.asp?idusu=&id=49305 - "profile" with no content other than his name, not significant coverage
 * http://www.tomellosocf.net/Guia%20Liga%2011-12.pdf (look at page 15) - merely includes the player's name in a listing of players, not significant coverage
 * http://www.albadeporte.com/?p=2414 - match report that doesn't mention him at all (apart from in the team line-ups), not significant coverage
 * http://www.middlesexfa.com/News/2011/02/MIDDLESEXSENIORTEAMFINISHESONAHIGH.htm - match report which only mentions him in one sentence, not significant coverage
 * http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96525 - match report which doesn't mention him other than to show him in the line-up, not significant coverage
 * http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96611 - match report which doesn't mention him other than to show him in the line-up, not significant coverage
 * http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96582 - match report which doesn't mention him other than to show him in the line-up, not significant coverage
 * http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96601 - match report which doesn't mention him other than to show him in the line-up, not significant coverage
 * http://www.ffcm.es/pnfg/NFG_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000120&CodActa=96573 - match report which doesn't mention him other than to show him in the line-up, not significant coverage
 * None of these sources offer significant coverage of the subject, so he clearly doesn't meet the WP:GNG, and unless a reliable source can be found to prove that the Tercera is fully professional (which I highly doubt, given that one of the links shows that a match only attracted 300 spectators) then he doesn't meet WP:NFOOTY either..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:NFOOTBALL, has not played at a fully-professional level. Also fails WP:GNG due to a lack of any significant media coverage beyond WP:NTEMP and WP:ROUTINE. --Jimbo[online] 12:18, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. No significant media coverage other than routine coverage of football matches he was part of. TonyStarks (talk) 16:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


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