Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Portmann


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is a reasonably clear consensus that the subject is also notable. The article has also been improved during the course of this discussion, alleviating the paid editing concerns (which are not, without anything more, a reason to delete in any event). Mkativerata (talk) 04:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Mark Portmann

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This is a paid editing job created as a result of the bid on elance.com which states the following I am a composer & musician in Los Angeles, California. I need a wikipedia profile similar to something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Foster). I can provide the basic text and credits. Looking to have the wikipedia page organized, edited, referenced and put into the proper format for wikipedia.

Please let me know what the approximate cost would be and what time frame the job could be completed in.

Thank you, Mark Portmann www.markportmannmusic.com

As such, this is a violation of our policy that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. The subject hasn't been the focus of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, to meet the general notability guideline. There are some claims to notability, but despite the assertions, most of these appear to be dubious or minor. His "grammy nominations" are usually not accredited to him, I can't find a mention of him anywhere within grammy.com and I can't back up these claims in reliable sources. In short, this is nothing more than a promo piece which brings on the hype in order to promote it's subject.  Them From  Space  03:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: because wikipedia is not my space.--Karljoos (talk) 05:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Again, like i earlier said, i agree with your decisions to have the article deleted. I also agree that the emergence of the Wikipedia article so soon after the referenced Elance post does appear to far a stretch. I must however stress that the my reasons for creating the article were not from a financial view point. Still, since i profit little from the creation or deletion of the article, i am willing to allow permit its deletion as requested by you. Future contributions by me will be made in accordance to the rules within which wikipedia is bound.

Kind Regards Carlang (talk) 08:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You are "willing to allow permit its deletion"??? Please read WP:OWN--Karljoos (talk) 08:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Good evening. I did not create this article; I only updated it with specific credits which are verifiable both on the albums themselves and on allmusic.com (search for Mark Portmann's credits). I do not see how this is written as promotional or advertising and for the record, this is not a project from elance.com - I was unaware of the listing. Mark Portmann is a well-known songwriter/arranger in the music business. You can look up his album credits like anyone else's. You can search for him on Google.com and see pictures of him at the ASCAP awards, etc. I don't understand why you would want this article to be deleted? Thank you, Meg Hansen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meghansen (talk • contribs) 06:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Subject appears notable (see content of Allmusic bio and their reviews of his albums), but the page could use a total rewrite. Hekerui (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Hekerui, I'll see you and raise you: keep. The list of credits is pretty impressive, and there's enough hits on Google News (and a few on [Google Books) for notability. However, that article is indeed a mess. If money changed hands, it should be returned, and someone should give Portmann a trout to smack the creator with. I nominate Hekerui for clean-up; your check will be in the mail. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] (talk) 01:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject seems notable enough. The article needs serious cleanup and the fact that the subject presumably paid someone to create it is a sad commentary, but that should not factor in.  And to think, all these years, I've been creating really good articles for free ... --Crunch (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely Jennifer Song can spend a buck or two? Drmies (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT VirtualRevolution (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Which WP:NOT guideline are you pointing at? --Crunch (talk)
 * Per WP:NOTWEBSPACE. VirtualRevolution (talk) 14:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 *  Delete  Per WP:NOTWEBSPACE for starters. This is a CV (resumé if you prefer). Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a place for showing the world what you've done. He does seem to be a clever fellow, by the way: "Portmann has composed and produced music in English, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Japanese." I've only ever composed in Music - tadpoles on little lines. I write words in English (and French). If someone can do a better job - with better referencing to show that this impressive(?) list is real and actually means anything, I might change my mind. Peridon (talk) 16:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said... Based on the current revision of the article by some rather more neutral hands (that's meant as a compliment...), changing to Keep. Peridon (talk) 20:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - In the interest of WP:BEBOLD I went ahead and stubbified the article. The main claims to notability are now in there and substantiated by reliable sources. He has been mentioned in Billboard magazine, although I can't see how well his album did. And he did do a lot of record production for a lot of very notable people, so right now I'd say he counts as notable. Given the nature of this article's creation; if someone wishes to change my mind I am more than happy to listen. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:BIO as far as I can see. --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, appears to satisfy the GNG in current form. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per the good work of Panyd and Hekerui. As noted above, it's a passable stub in its current form, and the body of work indicated in the references would seem to meet the GNG. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, fair number of hits at http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_epq=mark+portmann, and stubbification seems to have helped.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep current state of article demonstrates that he meets the GNG, paid editing is not a reason to delete an article about a notable individual. Jclemens (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It meets WP:BIO needs. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.