Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Radice


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. BD2412 T 00:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Mark Radice

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. No obvious claim of notability. Yes, there's a CDBABY page, mention on IMDb and a Yahoo!-hosted website. The only reliable source in the article,, is a passing mention in a quote from someone promoting a project they were both involved in. No meaningful coverage in other reliable sources found. Sum mer PhD v2.0 03:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 10:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. North America1000 10:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per new sources from . undecided -- Thanks for the nomination.  [revised iVote 21:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)]
 * I too had considered nominating it when I started deleting external links. Having a major contribution on Sesame Street and the iMDB entry suggest that he is notable, but like the OP, the only thing I could find that appeared to be WP:RS was that one article (and maybe some others ) in a local news outlet or passing mention .  A potential alternative is to draftify it to  who appears to be the subject of the article, or anyone else who thinks they can dig up WP:RS to meet notability requirements and pass WP:AfC.
 * Please note that the article has survived 11 years now, and this appears to be the first nomination for deletion. Some editors who are still active now (e.g., , ,  (aka ), , , , , , , , ) have made edits to the article in the past or distant without nominating it for deletion.  I am curious what their position is.  When I touch an article, I usually consider whether it passes WP:GNG, but maybe not all editors do. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I do see this line in the WP:LEDE of List of Aerosmith members:
 * Mark Radice briefly took on the role of touring keyboardist in early 1978,


 * This was added by in 2017, and I don't believe it has been challenged.  I'm not suggesting that playing with Aerosmith makes one notable--I'm just mentioning it as potential WP:RS on the subject. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment, he might qualify under some aspect of WP:MUSICBIO, but probably not WP:GNG. I touched this article once while disambiguating a link some 7 years ago, and the article looks like garbage today by comparison.   PK  T (alk)  18:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When I removed incorrect two categories 5 years ago, I did not consider whether the article should be deleted. GoingBatty (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Like and, i touched the article some time ago (nigh on three years) with a semi-automated tool and did not consider the notability of the subject; At that time it did not look quite as bad as it does now.  I have not done a search thus far (first day of holiday and only just got up!), but if the content is accurate, it would seem he might well qualify, but TBH 's draftify suggestion is probably best;  happy days, LindsayHello 06:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm leaning toward keep based on the recent sources added by  such as this one published by Routledge.    --David Tornheim (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per MUSICBIO accomplished musician, composer/songwriter.Djflem (talk) 20:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Believe these bring it over GNG Djflem (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Believe these bring it over GNG Djflem (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Believe these bring it over GNG Djflem (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Since I got a ping, I'll respond regarding whether my edits mean anything as to notability. They do not. Here, it looks like in 2013 I assessed it as it was in the unassessed bios, so I was really paying attention only to the quality, which does not directly relate to notability. I also added a category, as I typically see if bios have the main categories they should. My later edit was part of a category diffusion campaign, so I would not have looked even at the quality of the article, only looking to see if it could be moved to a lower level city/occupation category. When I am doing purely category work I am not really paying attention to the notability or really even the quality of the article. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete Week Keep (see later comment below) - I am somewhat familiar with this gentleman's work and I was really hoping to find something in his favor. Everything in the article appears to be true, as he wrote several hit songs for other people, wrote for various TV shows, and was briefly a touring member of Aerosmith. Kudos to him for making an honest living behind the scenes, but the sources found by the "Keep" voter above only help a little. Via online and book sources I can find nothing additional, beyond basic mentions of his name in relation to other artists, some local media coverage, and bare-bones credit listings. I don't think this gets him past the significant and reliable coverage requirements for notability. In the realm of Bands/Musicians AfD's we often see that longtime behind-the-scenes journeymen like this may have honest achievements but they simply can't get into an encyclopedic article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 02:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * MUSICBIO and COMPOSER list numerous criteria which Radice fulfills, one of which, (5.Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels) is he easily meets. Djflem (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have changed my vote to "Week Keep" because you are technically correct about "two or more albums on a major record label". However, in the additional sources you have found he was still only mentioned briefly in association with other people and the album reviews tend to be brief one-paragraph announcements. Therefore I still think that Radice lacks the significant and reliable coverage requirements due to the brevity of the mentions that he actually got. But I concede that he just barely meets some Wikipedia requirements if there's going to be a debate about keeping him here. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional comment - If the article is kept, it needs to be cleaned up very badly, not just in writing/formatting but in its attempts to exaggerate his importance. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 02:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Additonal RS added:
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as passes WP:MUSICBIO with two releases on a major label. Also additional reliable sources have been identified, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


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