Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Titus (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete, a lack of sources independent of the subject that discuss this person as their subject. No notability as an athlete and little as a blogger. Statements that he is a celebrity are unconvincing without reliable sources that attest to this celebrity. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Mark Titus
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Per WP:BIO, an athlete is notable if they have competed professionally or participated in something like the Olympics or World Championships. Titus has not done either, and none of the sources establish notability from a reliable, third-party source. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Mark Titus is noteworthy for much more than his (minimal) athletic accomplishes. The reason he is famous is his blog, which has been featured on yahoo and ESPN. Club Trillion (his blog) has become a must-read for fan's of the Big Ten and has made him a celebrity in the mid-west. He deserves to have a Wikipedia page, so please consider his overall contributions to society. Thanks! --Jhigh 43 (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - At the moment, the references do not reflect notability per WP:NOTE. It would be a good start to actually have links from reliable sources covering his blog, like an ESPN story. As the article stands, however, I find no evidence of these, only self-published sources. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 01:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Just added information regarding an interview between him and ESPN's Bill Simmons. (an ESPN story)--Jhigh 43 (talk) 01:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability; neither a professional or top-level amateur. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 03:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, he is not on Wikipedia as a result of his athleticism. He should be on here because of the impact his blog has had on the college basketball scene, in particular the Big 10. An article about him has been on Yahoo!'s home page, and he was interviewed by a top-level journalist/talk-show host at ESPN. In all honesty, he's relatively horrible at basketball, but he keep's making news as a blogger and his name has become household among fans of the Big 10. --Jhigh 43 (talk) 03:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The incident of his applying to the draft certainly received some semblance of coverage from reliable sources (Google News of the past month) including the New York Times (brief mention), Wall Street Journal (short paragraph) and CBS Sports (longer article). Previous to the incident there does appear to have been some coverage for example this short paragraph on ESPN and this from Yahoo. Whether the recent coverage counts as anything more that just a typical news story, I'm not sure. Guest9999 (talk) 17:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - His notability isn't just because he was told he had to take his name out of the draft. His blog has received over 1.3 million hits in a little over 6 months, which is remarkable considering he is the only one who writes on it and he only posts new material once a week. This article should not be reviewed based on Mark Titus the athlete but instead Mark Titus the internet figure. Clearly, he has a worldwide following and is therefore notable.  The article needs many revisions, but Mark Titus is definitely notable and should have an article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GarthFan1962 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note. This user has made few or no other edits outside this topic.-- Cheers! Scapler (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Mark Titus has become somewhat of a cult phenomenon within the Big 10 as well as for any avid follower of ESPN's Bill Simmons. He has appeared on Simmons' pod-cast The BS Report at least twice and as you can see via Google trends interest in Mark (http://www.google.com/trends?q=mark+titus) as well as Club Trillion (http://www.google.com/trends?q=club+trillion&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0) have spiked in 2009.  You can also see that he is actually more popular than the Buckeyes best player Evan Turner (http://www.google.com/trends?q=club+trillion,+mark+titus,+evan+turner&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0)
 * Comment - The amount of times that he has been searched for does not make him notable. See WP:NOTE. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Might I add that Evan Turner has a wikipedia page, despite Titus being more popular than him.--70.100.83.43 (talk) 22:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note. This user has made few or no other edits outside this topic.--Cheers! Scapler (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep For those of you naysayers who keep deleting Mark Titus from wikipedia, his legend has only grown in the past few months.  With one of his most recent blog posts where he declared for the NBA draft, the story was covered by none other than: Rivals/Yahoo, CBS sports,  Fox sports and even USA Today

Mark's twitter is also followed by nearly 3000 people including celebrities like Mark Cuban, Shaquille O'Neal, Taylor Swift, John Mayor and ESPN's Bill Simmons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.189.145.83 (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The  Helpful  One  15:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability...and the socks and meats aren't helping to convince me otherwise.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

To whoever deleted all of the information regarding Titus' senior season/Club Trillion; quit trying to disprove Mark Titus' relevance by erasing it from the the article in order to promote your agenda. Thank you! --74.36.12.112 (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep- Seems to (barely) meet the general notability guidelines. More sources would be nice though. Umbralcorax (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The article has a lot of words, but none of them even assert that the subject is notable. The article states that various sporting achievements occurred ("made each of his two free throw attempts"), and that a blog was started. Per WP:BIO, subjects should be discussed in secondary sources that indicate notability. Johnuniq (talk) 02:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep is now well sourced and notability is ascerned by sources. Debresser (talk) 11:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete notable for being a not very good player, and publicizing it widely? We need not add to his publicity. DGG (talk) 03:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per DGG. This article deserves to be put out of its misery. Stifle (talk) 15:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete... unless I see an article that establishes the notability through the blog. In other words, show me a WP:RS that indicates the blog is influential at all. I'm sympathetic here... it won't take much. But I don't see what that would be from the sources right now. Shadowjams (talk) 06:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per DGG. Hobartimus (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.