Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark sweet


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ‑Scottywong | converse _ 17:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Mark sweet

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Claims notbaility but unable to find a lot of background for this person. nom for deletion as failing WP:GNG if claims of tv coverage can be found would meet but can't find them. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hit save too early--not a Wikipedia expert by any means! Have since updated with sources. User:Melancie —Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also unsure as to why his last name is not capitalized & why I can't edit this. Thank you & sorry for the newbie Q's! User:Melancie comment added 21:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Magic-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I was surprised by not being able to find any kind of significant coverage on the subject. The article claims he was featured in the NYT and Chicago Tribune, but nothing is showing up in the NYT, and there's only a brief mention of a performance in the Tribune. Other news results are the same: they're in reliable sources, but they're simply listings of performance times. I can't find a single review of a performance in a reliable source. He appeared on the Jimmy Fallon show, but I also don't see any coverage of this performance. I don't think we're up to the WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:CREATIVE or other specific standards here unless someone can unearth evidence of more significant coverage than I was able to find. --Batard0 (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 04:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)



Please reconsider deleting! Mark is employed as a warm-up comedian & performs a comedy hypnotism show at different locations. His warm-up contributions and experience are noted on pages 11, 188 & 189 by Warren Littlefield in his 2012 book "Top of the Rock" because Mark has done warm-up on so many legendary sitcoms over the past 30+ years. His comedy shows are not reviewed by the press--most stand-up shows are not. I'm currently working on creating a YouTube channel for him (I do freelance work for Mark), which will have multiple clips of his appearances mentioned in the article. If the article is deleted before I can finish the channel (this requires converting multiple VHS tapes & editing them as well as ripping DVDs & editing them), I will re-upload the Mark Sweet page once the multiple videos are up & use them as citation references. Mark is notable in that he's one of the most utilized warm-up comedians in sitcom history, but because he's a behind-the-scenes type of guy, he does not have regular "coverage" of these contributions. However, I hope to keep Mark's article on Wikipedia because of his unique position in the sitcom world and history. Melancie (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Not notable. Does not meet the requirement of substantial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. I'm afraid the videos proposed by Melancie above are useless for establishing notability, and the book references do not represent substantial coverage. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Again, please reconsider deleting:Added videos on YouTube & references to them, videos such as Mark Sweet as Willy Wonka, Mark performing on The Merv Griffin Show, a profile of him on E!, and many others.Melancie (talk) 02:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Melancie, but none of the sources in the article qualifies as substantial coverage in multiple reliable independent sources according to our policies. It's basically original research. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 02:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable that fails WP:GNG, per the above also. Sorry. TBrandley 00:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note to closer There appears to have been an error in relisting on October 27 that led to the discussion not appearing in any deletion log. I am adding it to today's log, please consider the failed relisting when considering a close. Monty  845  16:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. The thing is, a person can appear on shows or whatnot but that doesn't mean that those appearances or roles were overwhelmingly notable. It's fairly difficult to show notability for entertainers because there are a lot of people who will be brought in to shows (notable or otherwise) to kill time until the person everyone really came to see is brought in. It doesn't mean that the comedian isn't good or that they didn't work hard, just that these sort of things are rarely noted in news articles or made the focus of news articles or shows. The Jimmy Fallon appearance is good, but there's little other coverage out there for him. He hasn't really been the focus of in-depth news articles or other RS, he doesn't have a fan following that is so overwhelmingly large/unique that he'd get notability for that, and he isn't considered to have made any contributions that would be considered to pass part three of WP:ENTERTAINER. In all fairness, part two and three are incredibly hard to pass without first passing part one in some way and all must have some form of coverage/reliable sourcing to back any of them up. This coverage just doesn't seem to be out there. I see trivial mentions here and there, but no in-depth coverage. The mention in Top of the Rock is pretty much a brief mention. It does state that he's done a lot of show warmups but I imagine that the number is probably standard for warmup comedians. The coverage just isn't out there right now. I don't have any problem with this being userfied to Melancie's userspace, though.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete for now - This man certainly has potential but nothing suitable for Wikipedia yet, Google News provided mostly event listings here and continues at the second page with one result, this one (another event listing). As shown above, Tokyogirl79 has provided one Google Books result and I found two more here and here (both minor mentions). If he achieves more appearances possibly even reviews, that would be a start. SwisterTwister   talk  21:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Fails WP:BIO --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I've told Mark to start reaching out to newspapers, shows, other sources to gain publicity since that's his goal. If this article is deleted & he gains further notability/sources to identify his notability, I'll relist it with this info. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Melancie (talk) 22:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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