Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marko Odak


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect all to Ruža vjetrova. Selective merging may be performed. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Marko Odak

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A fictional character from the Croatian soap opera Ruža vjetrova which began airing on RTL Televizija in late August 2011. References all taken from www.sapunice.net, a Croatian website for soap opera devotees.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 02:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following pages about related characters because of the same reason:


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions.  — Timbouctou  ( talk ) 02:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions.  Timbouctou  ( talk ) 02:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 02:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

What is the reason you're deleting the articles? There are thousands of articles devoted to characters from American soaps, German soaps, British soaps, Aussie soaps, yet the ones that really bother you are characters from a Croatian soap? Sources are included in articles, what's the deal then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franko1212 (talk • contribs)
 * The reason


 * There is no apparent explanation why these topics are notable. Their existence is not proof enough, nor is the existence of other articles. AFAICT this could all be speedily merged into Ruža vjetrova. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * @Franko1212: While WP:FICTION confirms that there are no specific guidelines for fictional elements on Wikipedia, it recommends consulting other relevant guidelines, the most important of which is WP:GNG which outlines several requirements for anything to be presumed notable. All the articles above fail at least two of those requirements - www.sapunice.net is hardly a reliable source because it seems to lack editorial integrity (they publish everything about everything with what seems no selection criteria); and the information supplied to that website comes directly from the series' production company which means it is not entirely independent of the subject.
 * @Joy: I would agree to alternatively merge all these into Ruža vjetrova to produce something like this.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 10:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge all articles into the main soap opera article. All articles nominated blatantly fail General Notability Guidelines. Safiel (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge all into Ruža vjetrova. I can't see these characters being notable just one month into the show's run. GregorB (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter  (talk)  20:21, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Delete or merge all to Ruža vjetrova: None of the subjects of the articles meet the general notability guideline as stand-alone subjects by themselves and all articles are summary-only descriptions of a fictional work. For the sake of consensus, merging all articles to Ruža vjetrova is an acceptable alternative to deletion, although I personally favor deletion. Jfgslo (talk) 23:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * Merge all for the sake of producing a consensus. Reasons for AFD nomination are sound. But merging into a single article seems like a suitable compromise until more time has been given to see how the show is received. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: It is difficult to believe that the character has achieved sufficient notability for inclusion in WP in the month since the soap opera started. As I doubt that the series has, either, I see no point in a merge. That article should be deleted as well until it has demonstrated its staying power and notability. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.