Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marko Sjoblom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Marko Sjoblom

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Unreferenced, non-notable per WP:ATHLETE and WP:BIO, no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources, zero mention of any career with the Finnish EFAF team, possible WP:HOAX, article has already been speedied three times for notability. Top Jim (talk) 20:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Top Jim (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Top Jim (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete even if it's not a hoax, even if sources are found... these are not noteworthy accomplishments.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt because it appears to have been recreated multiple times by more than one user. Morgankevinj(talk) 20:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, Redirect and Protect per S Marshall below Morgankevinj(talk) 03:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep this is not a stub.  exists just new to writing articles in here. Pittosporum (talk) 20:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment everyone be nice to the newbie. Welcome to Wikipedia and be sure to ask questions!  If you think you need more than a few hours, may I suggest we move the page to your workspace where you can edit it to your heart's content and won't have to mess with this "deletion stuff" until you think the article is ready?--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been speedied three times, only twice (both under A7). The first deletion was a prod.  You can see a copy of the most developed deleted version here. There is a source here, which quotes Marko Sjoblom quite extensively, but it's a press release and so is not independent.  If you search, you'll find various other sources, none of which are enough to suggest this BLP meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. We can't have an article, but deletion is the most stupid way to handle repeatedly-re-created material.  It justs leave another redlink that encourages an inexperienced user to write an article, and we'd be back at AfD in another year.  Salting is an option but there's an alternative to deletion, which the guidelines say we should consider first: Redirect to TxtLoan.  Consider protecting the redirect.— S Marshall  T/C 23:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Why Redirect to TxtLoan? I do not see how that would be a constructive solution the problem since it is not at all related to the subject.Morgankevinj(talk) 23:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's related because Sjoblom is the CEO of TxtLoan.— S Marshall T/C 23:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry I am somewhat lost but thanks for being understanding, whatever the outcome. Not sure how much you care but this bio profile is quite widely searched on the internet, in particular the UK and elsewhere in Europe and my intention was for wiki to be the first one to acknowledge that. The deleted article from 2008 was reviewed and this one is good. Also, isn't European Champion and MVP high enough achievement for wiki article or is it lack of evidence to support this that drives the AfD, please advice? Finally, here is recent The Guardian article re: TxtLoan: Pittosporum (talk) 09:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:ATHLETE and the GNG. Sorry, Pittosporum, those achievements aren't good enough to meet the criteria given in WP:ATHLETE.  Specifically, the criterion for an American football player is: "Have appeared in at least one game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league."  This isn't the case here.  Secondly, articles which are about TxtLoan don't serve to support Sjoblom's own notability; notability is not inherited.  Finally, what's the basis for your contention that this bio profile is widely searched on the Internet?   Ravenswing  16:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to respond to your comment about notability not being inherited--indeed it is not, but that's irrelevant. There's no notability threshold for redirects.— S Marshall  T/C 18:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed there isn't, but that's irrelevant. What I was commenting on was Pittosporum's implication that an article about TxtLoan bolsters Sjoblom's notability, for which the precept that notability is not inherited is quite relevant.  Since I am neither advocating a redirect nor addressing your advocacy for redirects, the notability threshold or lack thereof for the same wasn't at issue.   Ravenswing  19:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. WP:BEFORE does tell us to consider redirecting over deletion, though.— S Marshall  T/C 20:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Shortened text according to Ravenswing recommendation. Hope not to cause this much hassle in the future. Leave rest to you modify. Pittosporum (talk) 09:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: You may have mistaken my intent. Those tidbits may well be pertinent to the subject's own biography, despite that they do not establish notability as per WP:BIO.  In or out, the subject still isn't notable.   Ravenswing  13:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.