Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marlton Circle


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The result was   keep. Courcelles 02:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Marlton Circle

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Contested PROD. Circle is not notable enough to have an article on its own. Information is already covered in the List of traffic circles in New Jersey, New Jersey Route 70, and New Jersey Route 73 articles.  Dough 48  72  01:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge into list. On its own, this subject does not meet WP:GNG, but the overall list does.  Imzadi  1979   →  01:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of traffic circles in New Jersey --Admrboltz (talk) 06:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Some quick searching for sources turns up the fact that the Philadelphia Enquirer, the Courier Post, and the Burlington County Times have been giving blow-by-blow coverage of the project to replace Marton Circle for almost ten years, now, and that there are sources for a far more detailed history of the subject, covering the rise in projected costs, the various originally scheduled completion dates, and the various protests and objections raised along the way, than is given here or anywhere else in Wikipedia. And that's without even mentioning Olga's Diner, which brings even more about the subject to the table.  &#9786;  This seems like a short stub with ample scope for expansion given the years-worth of coverage. Uncle G (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A simple search in Google News / Archive for "Marlton Circle", as Uncle G described above, turned up several dozen articles in newspapers which have been covering the saga of the Marlton Circle in excruciating detail for decades, in coverage that is about the circle, its traffic nightmares, the political battles over possible solutions and the ongoing multi-year construction project to redesign and eliminate the circle amid the swirling opposition of local businesses who are still pushing for an at-grade alternative to the flyover included in the NJDoT's plans. I've expanded the article a bit and added several sources, and the article makes a more than credible claim of notability backed by ample reliable and verifiable sources that are distinctly about the circle itself. Alansohn (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not saying that this information is not worth covering, I am just saying that the information can be covered elsewhere. All the information about the circle reconstruction can be mentioned in the History section of the Route 70 and Route 73 articles. In addition, List of traffic circles in New Jersey can list pertinent information about the circle. Alternatively, Marlton Circle can be covered as a section of the Marlton, New Jersey article, this is similar to how White Horse Circle is covered in White Horse, New Jersey.  Dough 48  72  16:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I recognize that this could be added to other articles. Unlike White Horse Circle, which had no sources at all provided before (or after) it was turned into a redirect, Marlton Circle has several sources already included in the article, which are all part of very extensive coverage of and about the circle itself that can be found by the dozens at Google News / Archive. While a merge combined with a redirect would preserve the content, I believe that the level of coverage in reliable and verifiable sources about the Marlton Circle itself makes a strong case for independent notability of the standalone article. Alansohn (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you believe Marlton Circle is notable enough for a standalone article, then try to help improving the article from a stub by adding a description and history section. Otherwise, we do not need a permastub on the topic and it should be merged then.  Dough 48  72  17:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Work done by Alansohn has shown that there are sufficient sources to support the article according to the WP:GNG. I would also note that even if the circle is scheduled to be eliminated, WP:NTEMP would provide for keeping the article as a stand alone, and not merge/redirect to something less. Since sources exist, the stub can be expanded through regular editing by any editor.  Jim Miller  See me 21:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep enough reliably sourced info for stand alone article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as per reasoning above. Tinton5 (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - With the significant secondary coverage, it does seem to pass WP:GNG.--Oakshade (talk) 04:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
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