Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marquess of Ephesus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 23:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Marquess of Ephesus

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Meaningless titles bestowed by someone with no claim of authority over the corresponding cities and territories. Unsurprisingly, Google has never heard of these nobility titles. Pichpich (talk) 22:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 00:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete seeing as the creator of the articles is named User:Marchio Ephesi, and seems to have a fascination for this guy, we're probably looking at a conflict of interest. Citations to Wikipedia, LinkedIn, and "Confidential information belonging to the Sovereign House"—I mean, seriously. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the revision @AirshipJungleman29! As mentioned in a different talk with @Pichpich, I apologize for being new to WP, therefore I didn't know how to properly sustain the article with sources that DO NOT raise doubts on the existence of the House. Please, allow me to address a few of your notes:
 * @Pichpich Meaningless titles bestowed by someone with no claim of authority over the corresponding cities and territories. Unsurprisingly, Google has never heard of these nobility titles: after the end of feudalism, titles of nobility are often bestowed as mere personal, honorary possessions (see for instance Gen. Diaz who was granted the title of Duke of Victory for his merits), therefore not presenting any claim over territories whatsoever. The object titles have been granted with letters patent: would proof of those better sustain the pages?
 * @AirshipJungleman29 seeing as the creator of the articles is named User:Marchio Ephesi, and seems to have a fascination for this guy, we're probably looking at a conflict of interest. Citations to Wikipedia, LinkedIn, and "Confidential information belonging to the Sovereign House"—I mean, seriously: once again I must apologize for being naive in citing sources, and I am willing to remove the ones that clearly instilled the idea of fascination or that might ridicule the page.
 * I just need your support and guidance to avoid deletion, guys, as this is a young institution (b. 2009) that claims a small academic visibility. I much value your work and I am willing to learn.
 * Marchio Ephesi (talk) 09:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Citing reliable sources is a necessity, not an option . A young institution that "claims a small academic visibility" is not notable—other sources which meet the requirements at WP:GNG need to do that for them. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a great guidance, thanks @AirshipJungleman29!
 * I realize I did not provide the adequate quantity/quality of the sources, so I will get in proper touch with the Italian Heraldic Council (that is the institute that collects all the paperwork related to many sovereign houses, included the Nicaean, with an archive that covers over 7 centuries) in order to obtain:
 * - written permissions to load on Commons;
 * - news articles/books/court decisions that clearly mention the Sovereign House of Nicaea.
 * Thanks once more and sorry for the harassment. I accept deletion of all the pages I created:
 * -Sovereign House of Nicaea
 * -Marquess of Ephesus
 * -Marchioness of Laodicea
 * -Count of Prousa
 * -Countess of Philadelphia
 * -Baroness of Pergamon
 * I just hope you'll remove all the traces, as it'll be a tad bitter for the members of the House to see their pages go (again, bad on me).
 * As far as the images on Commons, I just ask you whether we could keep them with a proper clearance from the Italian Heraldic Council and its President.
 * Thanks for your contributions @Curbon7@Mccapra@StarTrekker@Caeciliusinhorto@Pichpich Marchio Ephesi (talk) 08:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all: Nonsense. No sources exist because this is not real. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Curbon7, as said to @AirshipJungleman29 @Pichpich I am willing to provide reliable sources Marchio Ephesi (talk) 09:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all. This is someone’s fantasy world churning out nonexistent titles. Mccapra (talk) 10:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This editor has uploaded a bunch of stuff to Commons that might need looking at too.★Trekker (talk) 20:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. These seem to be titles that someone just made up, nobody else recognises and no reliable sources have written about. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all. This is someone’s fantasy world churning out nonexistent titles. Mccapra (talk) 10:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This editor has uploaded a bunch of stuff to Commons that might need looking at too.★Trekker (talk) 20:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. These seem to be titles that someone just made up, nobody else recognises and no reliable sources have written about. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.