Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marta Gottfried Wiley


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. We still don't have the significant, independent coverage required. Courcelles 21:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Marta Gottfried Wiley

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Non-notable person. No independent references to be found that denote notability. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC) I have also sent an email to the artist herself in hopes of obtaining more valid sources. Although, JamesBWatson and WikiDan61 recommend DELETION of my article, I am requesting time to correct the article and would appreciate more input. Wendyful04 (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Independent references have been added. Wendyful04 (talk) 15:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. This page has been moved to Marta Wiley since its nomination.  If the outcome of this discussion is "delete" please delete both pages.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 09:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Name was changed so as not to include family surname. She is more widely known as Marta Wiley, not Marta Gottfried Wiley. Wendyful04 (talk) 15:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Although there are several links to gallery pages, the description on all the pages is identical:
 * "Marta Wiley's art is as colorful, captivating, and varied as the artist herself. Born in Mexico City, Wiley is of European, Irish and Cherokee descent. As a child, there was a wild streak in young Marta that her grandmother, also an artist, helped channel into the fine arts. Time and maturity have not stilled the childhood energy and verve of this artist. Wiley's passions run as deeply and soulfully as her dignified figurative creations."
 * This can only lead to the conclusion that the description was written by Wiley herself or her PR handler. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:13, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Redundant Reference links have been removed. Wendyful04 (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Said References have been removed. Wendyful04 (talk) 15:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment apparently misunderstood my point.  The references were not redundant -- they all pointed to different websites where Ms Wiley sells her art.  The redundancy is in the referenced websites themselves: although they are all different websites, they all contain the exact same description of Ms Wiley's art.  Therefore, they cannot be assumed to be independent sources as required by the guidelines on notability.  Removing these references does not bolster the article in any way, as the only links left now are links to Ms Wiley's own websites, some sites selling her art and music, and some local coverage in an independent Phoenix-area newspaper.  No indications of any significant independent coverage yet provided.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have checked every one of the 11 references currently listed. They are all from Marta Wiley herself, or from sites plugging her work, or they give only brief mentions of her, etc etc. There is no evidence of notability. In addition, the article is promotional, and most unencyclopedic in tone, containing such prose as "It was at the age of 16, after Marta had her heart broken for the first time, that she ran to the store and bought her first real canvas; without thought, she channeled her emotions through the paintbrush and created her first masterpiece" etc etc. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have begun rewording the article in orer to make it less "unencyclopedic", deleting much of what was written.
 * Reply The problem isn't that the article isn't encyclopedic. If that were the only problem, then it could have been rewritten.  The problem is that a search for sources on which to base such encyclopedic content comes up empty.  Other than sites maintained by Ms Wiley herself or sites that are dedicated to selling her art or music.  There is no significant, independent coverage available on which to base an encyclopedic article.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of independent coverage makes good article impossible for now Vrivers (talk) 11:25, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.