Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Bucer European Theological Seminary and Research Institutes


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  14:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Martin Bucer European Theological Seminary and Research Institutes

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DePRODed by author without addressing the issue(s). Concern was: ''No claims of importance or significance. Fails WP:ORG''. The sources provided are not independent, or call for donations, or are faculty listings. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   06:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello! Why has an institute that does research in areas like human rights, islamic studies, and religious freedom (done by scientist from all over the world) and that educates students all over europe, in Brazil and other countries No claims of importance or significance? -- Re145vision (talk) 09:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and rename to Martin Bucer Seminary. We normally keep bona fide tertiary institutions, and this is undoubtedly one - even though it seems to be unaccredited (but I don't know how accreditation works in Germany, anyway). Its monograph series, MBS-Texte, appears to be significant. StAnselm (talk) 21:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable, most references are self fulfilling, and reads more like an advert. ContentEditman (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (renamed as suggested). This is small tertiary college.  Theology is commonly taught by specialist institutions rather than in mainstream universities, so that they commonly are relatively small.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can source it. Although at first glance I thought keep under WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, 3. and tried to source it, it is a distance learning institution, which raised red flags. I got 4 or 5 gBooks hits on people listing themselves as graduates or faculty - paltry for a seminary.  And a gNews hit on a christian Post op-ed by Thomas Schirrmacher, but his page also appears to be mere WP:PROMO.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I tried to upgrade this article. To show the importance of this seminary best, I think it would be necessary to publish a list of the books and articles that are written by faculty members. But that would be a very very long list! (The president of the seminary has published nearly 100 books ...) As I mentioned now in the article, it is the largest Evangelical Seminary in Europe outside of the UK and it has an educational philosophy that is - as far as I know - unique in theological education. So is that not notable? As far as I see "Martin Bucer European Theological Seminary and Research Institutes" is an official name and "Martin Bucer Seminary" is just a part of it – but I will try to find that out. I would like to improve this article. Do you have some concrete suggestions? What kind of reference are needed? Thanks and Greetings! Re145vision (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with your reasoning that the article should be kept, but how do you know it is the "largest Evangelical Seminary in Europe outside of the UK"? StAnselm (talk) 11:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added a reference but I will try to find a better one. You can look up the evangelical seminaries in Europe on Wikipedia – most have between 50 and 200 students. Only the UK has very large seminaries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_evangelical_seminaries_and_theological_colleges#Other_European Re145vision (talk) 13:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for adding the reference. StAnselm (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * How can I renamed the title to "Martin Bucer Seminary"? Re145vision (talk) 13:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's better just to wait until this discussion is ended. StAnselm (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:16, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Martin Bucer Seminary Now has more references added, and as noted, theological colleges, even though important, tend to be small. Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:04, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


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