Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Cassini (2nd Nomination


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 03:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Martin Cassini
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This article was previously nominated for deletion in 2008. I believe that this person is not notable enough for Wikipedia. Although he may be a campaigner for changes to road design and has been quoted in several news outlets in recent years, I cannot see from this article and other searches why is views are especially notable as he does not appear to be a traffic planner or had direct influence on shared spaces. As an aside, much of this article appears to have been written by Martin Cassini (as User:Seeplain), but that is not why I'm proposed deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaweed (talk • contribs) 16:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Nominator wants the "views" of the topic to be "especially notable", which is a not a policy-based notability argument.  The first AfD the nominator didn't get a single editor to support his/her position.  I found the references needed to satisfy WP:GNG using the first page of searching using WP:BEFORE at Google news (BBC News, The Guardian, Daily Mail).  These references postdate the previous AfD, so longevity of attention to the topic over time is also shown at Google news.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as the article itself is sourced and detailed but none of it is actually suggesting the necessary solid independent notability and, FWIW, 2008 is certainly enough time to suggest a new AfD as Wikipedia and articles have certainly changed since then. SwisterTwister   talk  05:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep – Meets WP:BASIC, although perhaps on a weaker basis per sources that I am presently able to access online. Here are some sources that provide significant coverage about the subject:, , , (shorter article), . The last source is largely about a court appearance for a speeding ticket, though; not primarily about the subjects works, life, etc. North America1000 10:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  20:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am the nominator for the first AfD. I reviewed the resources currently listed in the article and do not find them to meet WP:BASIC. I consider coverage of Cassini in the referenced secondary sources to be trivial. I did search and could not additional secondary sources that would meet notability. I do not consider Cassini as meeting WP:CREATIVE for his work in the field of transport. He is a public advocate for shared space; Hans Monderman and Ben Hamilton-Baillie meet this criteria for the subject that Cassini espouses. Although not a guideline for determining deletion or notability, the article reads more as an editorial in support of shared space than a biography and the article has been substantially self-edited by Cassini to read this way. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 14:39, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Note that the current article is still questionable for solidity and contains nothing satisfying for a better acceptable BLP article. With its current state, it's still best, at least, moving to Draft where better improvements can be made. SwisterTwister   talk  06:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, Cassini is a notable journalist, broadcaster and campaigner in the UK. The article does need some work to bring it up to scratch. -- de Facto (talk). 20:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.