Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Concepcion


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The result was delete. -- Scott Burley (talk) 01:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Martin Concepcion

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Fails WP:NBOXING. Regional level wins only and a few lost challenges at higher levels. Insufficient coverage for WP:GNG, some limited regional press coverage. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 09:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep Subject passes WP:GNG. This article was created twelve years ago. All other boxers who fought in The Contender Challenge: UK vs. USA have an article due to that or got one due to that if they had not had one before. There is also many independent, reliable sources on the subject included in the article and on the web. User talk:Qualitee123 17:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact that other stuff exists is not a reason to keep an article. WP:NBOX clearly states the criteria for notability. A quick look at the UK boxers in that "TV show" - some of them are commonwealth or olympic medal winners or have won a national title. Martin has only won regional titles. That is insufficient for notability. One other boxer in that group also fails NBOX and I have raised an AfD. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 18:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * They’ve both been on Wikipedia for over 10 years now and have never been flagged up before. User talk:Qualitee123 19:34 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete- Fought in regional bouts only. Not a notable boxer. Fails WP:NBOX. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. He had two British title fights and one for a Commonwealth title. Very obviously notable enough for inclusion. --Michig (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your vote. I may look at NBOX too strictly and appreciate clarification. (2) stipulates that notability is achieved by a non-world title won. The title assessment link specifies this as including Commonwealth and British titles. This is different to (1) which gives notability to individuals who have fought for a world tile, irrespective of win or loss. As Concepcion has not fought for any world titles (1) and not won any non-world titles (2), I wonder if the notability guidelines may need to be clarified. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 06:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NBOX sets a ridiculously high bar, probably higher than any other major sport. The boxing project came up with more sensible criteria, but when NBOX was updated with the consensus for that (which included boxers who had fought for national titles in major boxing countries) it was reverted because it was deemed to have been discussed in the wrong place. Boxing is one of the biggest sports in the UK, and someone who has fought for a national title here is significant enough for inclusion, and will have enough coverage around to satisfy the GNG wonks too, even if it may be hard to find online as we have two major boxing magazines that provide coverage of boxers well below the level of national title challengers. Even online, there's enough to satisfy GNG:, , , , , . --Michig (talk) 07:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Neverthelss, NBOX stands according to current consensus. I'm agnostic to how NBOX came about or what other discussions there may have been. I see three articles that may be relevant, Eurosport, Sky, BBC. I take regional and tabloid coverage as carrying less weight for any N discussions. It's debatable if that's significant coverage'. BTW, Boxing in general may be well covered - which makes one wonder why there is not more about this individual - however I am not sure I subscribe to boxing being one of the most popular UK sports. It appears to be outside the top 10 for live viewing attendance (below Golf) according to this and below The Masters and Bake Off when it comes to "competitive" one-off TV events according to this. I know WP:OSE is a slippery slope, but I do not see an article for every Bake Off runner up, which sort of feels right. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:49, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * A ludicrous comparison. --Michig (talk) 08:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete WP:NBOX seems quite clear--the non-world titles in the list need to be won, not just fought for. World titles are different, but do not apply in this case.  Subject does fail WP:NBOX.  Listing boxrec.com 34 times as a reference does not show notability.  The sources given by Michig are either results or of the "he is fighting so-and-so on Saturday" variety.  These types of sources can be found for every pro boxer.  The regional titles he won are minor and generated only local coverage.  For example, his last regional title was the "BBBofC Midlands Area Super Middleweight" title where he defeated someone who had 5 victories in 62 pro fights.  Hardly encyclopedic. Papaursa (talk) 23:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 03:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * delete Fails to meet either WP:NBOX or the GNG. Fight coverage and his legal woes are not enough to show the GNG is met.Sandals1 (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:GNG is met. Has fought for British and Commonwealth titles. Article was created 12 years ago. All boxers from who fought in the The Contender Challenge: UK vs. USA have an article. Qualitee123 (talk) 19:57, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter how long ago the article was created nor whether or not other boxers from The Contender Challenge are notable. Simply fighting for British and Commonwealth titles does not meet WP:NBOX and so doesn't show notability. Nothing you said actually shows he meets any notability standards.Sandals1 (talk) 01:26, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It meets at least WP:GNG. His notability is shown in the sources. Qualitee123 (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Routine sports coverage does not meet the GNG. I crossed out your last vote because you can only vote once per discussion.Sandals1 (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet either WP:NBOX or WP:GNG.PRehse (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


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