Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Gernat


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Martin Gernat

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Non-notable minor league hockey player, fails WP:NHOCKEY, no evidence he passes the GNG. One of a long string of NN stubs thrown up by article creator. No prejudice against recreation should the player do the things needful to achieve notability.   Ravenswing   23:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep or Redirect to 2012–13 Edmonton Oilers season. A quick search for sources demonstrates he passes GNG. Note: The sheer volume of AfD nominations by this editor (37-plus in the last three days alone) makes it impossible to fully research all of the articles to prove they meet GNG. Expecting any editor to properly research this large number of articles for GNG sources is not realistic or fair, especially when one considers that most of these AfDs require searching non-English sources. Going straight to AfD with this many nominations, without first using PRODs or appropriate tagging, is disruptive. The nom should be reminded that deletion is a last resort, and per WP:BEFORE should only be used after other alternatives have been fully explored. Dolovis (talk) 03:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: As far as alleged sources that meet the GNG are concerned, if you've indeed found some, why didn't you add them to the article? (And if such sources exist, why would a redirect possibly be an appropriate action to take, never mind to a team season article in which year the subject didn't play professional hockey, let alone for the team in question?) That being said, as many as a hundred articles go to AfD every day, and no one expects any editor to research all of them on the spot; happily, since these are Wikipedia's articles, and do not "belong" to any one editor, there's no onus on any one person to do so.  What is seriously disruptive is creating so many BLP articles without even a cursory attempt at proper sourcing.  Perhaps, rather than creating yet more NN sub-stubs, you could turn your attention to that.   Ravenswing   06:53, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Hockeybuzz and Hockey's Future? Good lord... if you're going there for sources, Dolovis, you're in trouble.  If you know of the existence of sources that make this a GNG pass, why didn't you put them in when creating the article, eh? Resolute 18:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete A search doesn't turn up any sources that meet GNG. He fails NHOCKEY. And that redirect is plain ridiculous. -DJSasso (talk) 19:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Former member of the Slovakia men's national junior ice hockey team, where he participated in two junior world championships. I think that fits NHOCKEY 1 or 2.  Not sure if that would be considered amateur or professional, but it is certainly the highest possible level at his age.  There are sources for this.    Th e S te ve   05:23, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: It does not qualify under NHOCKEY's criteria, which does not include tournament teams other than the senior World Championships and the Olympics. Playing at the "highest level for his age" has never been part of the criteria.   Ravenswing   11:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As Ravenswing mentions international play is covered under #6 which requires he plays on a senior team, not a junior team. -DJSasso (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Fails NHOCKEY and GNG. None of the leagues are considered a top professional league according to WP:NHOCKEY/LA. Can be re-created if he ever does meet the guidelines. Patken4 (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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