Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin J. Mack


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Martin J. Mack

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Not enough in-depth coverage about him to meet WP:GNG, and does not meet WP:POL, being a small-town mayor and a deputy AG.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

KEEP Small town mayor, deputy attorney general, appointments secretary to me is noteworthy. Appointments secretary is the important noteworthy job here. It has existed in statute since the creation of the state, and is responsible for the naming of commissions, boards, job, commissioners, and judges. For example, NYS just went through a failed chief judge nomination, appointments is where this played out. The governor chose a lieutenant governor, that is the appointments office. The governor brought in Kathyrn Garcia, that is an appointment. This area as a historian is a hole in nys history. We know who the deputy mayors are, the commissioners, but the not the patronage political people who make the government function. In addition to that, there are other NYS civil servants that I have found via wikipedia that have helped my own research. They are lesser figures than this person. With that, I only created this because like other pages I created there was a historical hole on something i was researching. To delete, is to remove valuable information for future historians interested in Eliot Spitzer, or New York's first african american governor, or its first female, and the type of people they chose to work in their government. In addition to this, New York state does not that have that many towns that have a mayor. As a small town mayor, whose father was a mayor, who was appointed to be chair of the local SUNY college council you allow a local town to research their own history better. Joco179 (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * KEEP 242baileyave (talk) 20:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm assuming your !vote is to "Keep".  If that is correct, you should preface your comment by typing the word, KEEP, and surrounding it with 3 apostrophes, (  ).  Onel 5969 ''' TT me 15:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Enos733 (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 04:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and New York.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is routine coverage regarding his appointments by Paterson and Hochul along with an article about an award he received. I can't find anything that is in-depth enough to meet GNG, and he doesn't meet NPOL either. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. There are various articles describing his work in picking Lieutenant Governor Delgado, in being spitzer's patronage boss, in releasing government files on attica. In addition, to his work with Hochul and Paterson.Joco179 (talk) 19:46, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. More research needed. Let me have a few days. 19:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearian (talk • contribs) 19:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added a few citations demonstrating the type of work he was doing as Executive Deputy Attorney General under schneiderman. Joco179 (talk) 15:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Delete. Mack is more accomplished than I could hope to be, however, accomplishments do not equal notability aka existence ≠ notability. There are two claims to notability here. Local politician and state government. Local politicians are not automatically notable, nor are they not automatically not notable. Reasons a local politician could be notable are unusual longevity in service (see Robert L. Butler, Margaret Doud, or Hilmar Moore), an atypical level of coverage and fame (see a pre-Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman), or qualifying under another criteria in relation to their local political role (see Betty Loren-Maltese and Rita Crundwell as WP:CRIME). Nothing about Mack's local roles with either Cortland, New York government or Democratic politics meets this standard. His state positions are by and large either civil service positions with run of the mill coverage or non-notable appointments. Executive Deputy Attorney General is a civil service position. Civil servants and mid-level "pleasure of the officeholder" appointments are not notable. They may not be automatically not notable, so let's review the record. Few of the appointments are even the top political appointee (assistant/deputy secretaries, university trustees, etc.). Also, there is a lot masking the lack of notability. He was "part of a team that helped appoint Delgado," and he "was able to secure a settlement in favor of New Yorker's." The phrase "Mack worked on appointing people to the" is a description of the job and nothing about Mack in particular. There is a lot of filler in this article to buff it out. This article should be deleted.--Mpen320 (talk) 04:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist. More opinions are welcome. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 04:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have already stated my opinion, but SUNY Cortland College Council Chair, Cortland County Attorney, Democratic Cortland County Chair, Mayor of Cortland, Executive Chair of the New York State Democratic Party (1998), Deputy Attorney General (Spitzer), Deputy Secretary for Intergovernmental Affairs (Spitzer/Paterson), Appointments Secretary (Paterson), Executive Deputy Attorney General (Schneiderman, Underwood), Appointments Secretary (Hochul), Cornell Board of Trustees (Hochul) is notable. I have added various sources that demonstrate this, from ny times, to syracuse press, to local awards, to governmental releases.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete No substantial coverage about the individual. I get hits for a cease-and-desist issued for Walgreens and others back in 2015, when he worked for the NY Attorney General. Plenty of mentions about him doing this and that, nothing substantial. The article as it is now is basically a play-by-play of a career civil servant. Nothing notable from what I see. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per Mpen320 and Oaktree b. Lots of citations, but lacking the significant coverage in WP:RS-compliant sourcing needed to pass the notability bar. Sal2100 (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. My searches (of google, google news, google books, Wikipedia Library) found nothing to suggest notability. My assessment of existing sources is that they are a lot of press releases, primary sources, routine announcements of roles, and I didn't see any significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. Does not appear to pass WP:GNG CT55555 (talk) 02:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


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