Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin O'Halloran


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Dennis - 2&cent; 20:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete: notability not acquired solely through victimology, as is well-established. Quis separabit?  21:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  22:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  22:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Poorly written article, but notable subject, covered in multiple reliable sources. "Founder and leading light of the Kiltullagh branch of the Land League"; "a dangerous and ill-disposed man, and president of the Kilfalla branch of the Land League"; "P.J. Gordon, Scrab Nally, Martin O'Halloran and other celebrated men"; "the next speech the witness referred to was one by the same Martin O'Halloran" etc. Scolaire (talk) 09:59, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Potential article is not the article which exists. The article as it currently exists is largely centered, IMO, on the killing of the subject, and would not have been written had it not been for his having been shot dead. Clearly, not every Land Leaguer in every county in Ireland was inherently notable. However, if an article can be fashioned which demonstrates that O'Halloran was notable in and of himself aside from the circumstances of his death, I can withdraw this nomination. Yours, Quis separabit?  12:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read the article again. It makes no mention whatever of his death, and never has. There is not even a date of death. In any case, I have established notability so there are no grounds for deletion, only for improvement. Scolaire (talk) 13:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You're right I conflated the killings issue re O'Halloran from the Connors & Dempsey murders (which I had tweaked at the same time) in my rationale above but not in the article itself, thankfully. Thanks for bringing that back to my attention so I could explain here. Quis separabit?  13:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 15:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I Agree with Scolaire, article needs improvement, but subject is notable per references mentioned above.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * @Scolaire: I usually withdraw any contested AFD nomination if the article in question has been significantly improved. In this case, while the article has been somewhat enhanced, I would prefer to wait for more input from our fellow editors. Yours, Quis separabit?  22:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete Scolaire linked to a nonviewable ref and a few passing references. I do not see WP:BIO satisfied at this point. Edison (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 15:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.