Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Oliver (Claddagh)


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The result was redirect to King of the Claddagh. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Martin Oliver (Claddagh)

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Possible WP:ATD would be merge to King of the Claddagh. Boleyn (talk) 10:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP and WP:BEFORE. The topic needs work but it's easy to find sources such as this and that. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. The first (Irish Times) source listed is substantively about something else. The subject is mentioned but once in the article. A trivial passing mention. The second (Irish Examiner) source is about a different person. (The subject under discussion died in 1972. The Irish Examiner article is about a funeral which took place in 2020. The names may be the same/similar. But the subjects are not.) Guliolopez (talk) 12:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That depends what you think the topic is. AFAIC, what we have here is a traditional fishing family (the Olivers) who are well known and respected in Claddagh.  The family members and their boats and history attract attention and coverage.  As there's scope for improvement, policy WP:ATD applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page."  My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
 * Redirect to King of the Claddagh. (As any notability and coverage is associated with the subject's time as "King of the Claddagh".) In terms of the main claim to notability (holder of an honorary title), we might expect WP:NPOL to be met. And it wouldn't appear to be. (The "King of the Claddagh" is a largely ceremonial title and not an "international, national, or [..] state/province–wide office".) In terms of WP:GNG, all coverage seems substantively linked to his "time in office". (Otherwise, surviving a storm, owning a fishing vessel, selling same, and undertaking ceremonial duties at the oyster festival wouldn't seem to meet WP:ANYBIO.) Guliolopez (talk) 12:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to King of the Claddagh. Spleodrach (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Curbon7 (talk) 02:37, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to King of the Claddagh per Guliolopez. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


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