Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martinez Jackson


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The result was redirect to Reggie Jackson. Spartaz Humbug! 14:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Martinez Jackson

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Fails WP:NBASE. There is no record of him playing in any Negro league games on Seamheads or Baseball-Reference. According to a Washington Examiner article, he drove the bus for the Newark Eagles. Despite being Reggie Jackson's father, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Penale52 (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm. He does pass NBASE if he played for the Newark Eagles. Contemporary newspaper articles say that he did, and as I have experienced in looking for minor league stats from that general time period, B-Ref does not have 100% complete stats, so he may well have even though he doesn't have a B-Ref page. There are some sources on Martinez Jackson, not sure if they're enough for GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Found this mention of Martinez playing for the Newark Eagles: "When Martinez played for the Newark Eagles in the Negro National League he was paid $7 a game. He shakes his head at Reggie's $600,000 per year salary." Narsk (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - I am finding a number of reliable sources stating that he played in the Negro Leagues in the 1930s, e.g.,, , , , and there are other stories about him such as this which add to his GNG case, even if he didn't play in the Negro Leagues. Rlendog (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I just think it's odd that all the sources are from the 1980s-onward. This source from 1981 says “He joined the Newark Eagles, a highly respected Negro league baseball team in 1933. The quick, lithe, tough second baseman plated professional baseball for five years.” Well Newark, technically the Newark Dodgers at this point, was an independent team in 1933, which would explain why there are not stats available for him, if he played for them at all, since they didn't play top-level that year.
 * I emailed Gary Ashwill of Seamheads, and received this reply:
 * "No, I have never found him playing in a game for the Newark Eagles, though it's always possible he appeared in a game without a box score or a game against white semipro opponents."
 * So, should newspaper's decades after the fact be the sole supporter of his Negro league status, if no contemporary sources are located? I'm honestly curious. What if Jackson himself just told people he played, and everyone ran with it. Would that be enough to pass WP:NBASE, or does the mere mention of his story so many times over the years give him the WP:GNG pass, regardless of any contemporary proof of playing? Or what if sources are found of him playing, but it was against a semi-pro team? Again, I'm generally curious as to how this should be handled. Penale52 (talk) 14:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1. These are all reliable sources so even if there is some disagreement that should have some weight. 2. Some articles (plus the substantial obituaries) are specifically or substantially (one barely even mentions Reggie) about Martinez Jackson so he passes GNG even if he did not play in the Negro Leagues. Rlendog (talk) 18:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — MarkH21talk 22:20, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Reggie Jackson. If we can't prove that he passes WP:NBASE, then it likely is a WP:NOTINHERITED case. If we find proof that he played in the Negro Leagues we can always undo the redirect and reestablish a standalone article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


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