Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marty McLoughlin


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Marty McLoughlin

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Club runner does not meet WP:ATHLETE and seems marginal at least. Did not compete in Olympics. In other competition: Nothing outside of his athletic career. Only one reference, at a a non-journalistic site (the site of the Liverpool Pembroke & Sefton Athletic Club, of which he was a member), and Google doesn't indicate that any more could be easily found, so doesn't meet WP:GNG and is poorly reference for a WP:BLP as well. Herostratus (talk) 17:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC) Herostratus (talk) 17:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fourth place in Great North Run. Granted, this is an important race. But, fourth place.
 * Silver at World Cross Country games. But the British team finished second overall, so he got the silver as part of the team.
 * Fourth at the Commonwealth Games 10,000 meters. Obviously the Commonwealth Games are notable. But, fourth.
 * Second-fastest 10 world ten miles in 1987. But the ten miles is non-standard and not very notable.
 * British champion in 10,000 meters in 1994. While admirable, this is a purely national achievement. But if he is notable, this would seem to be the one thing that he could hang his notability on.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. If we're to go by the ridiculously over-precise criteria of WP:ATHLETE then McLoughlin meets criterion 2 by coming fourth in the Commonwealth Games and criterion 5 by winning a British championship. If we're to take the more common-sense route of comparing his achievements with competitors in other sports, then he clearly, by far, surpasses a footballer who has turned out for a match or two in League 2, who would be accepted as notable without question. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC) . (struck per Clarityfriend's findings below Phil Bridger (talk) 15:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC))
 * Well, football is much more popular than track. So we naturally drill down deeper into its population. Herostratus (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per Phil Bridger. He definitely satisfies #2 and maybe #5, and one's all that's necessary. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment from noninator: Oh, OK, I entirely missed WP:ATHLETE. For some reason it is listed under "Professional sports persons" and I only looked under "Amateur sports persons" (I always thought track-and-field was not popular enough to support professionals, and McLoughlin was certainly and amateur I assume). So the Keep points above are well taken. BUT. The second point remains, there are no references and apparently none easily findable. WP:GNG, which requires some articles or press notices or something about the person, trumps the athlete standards. The WP:ATHLETE page states (in boldface) "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the criteria" and also "[S]tandalone articles are required to meet the General Notability Guideline". So, no, I would still maintain that the person is not notable. Herostratus (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. According to this, he wasn't fourth (or even competed) in the 10,000m at the 1986 Commonwealth Games (or 1982 or 1990, just in case), so I am withdrawing my vote for now. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, good catch Clarityfiend. See what I mean? Article has no reliable references. Herostratus (talk) 14:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only think I can verify is that he was on the silver medal British cross country team, but he finished last on his team and his result wasn't counted. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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