Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marty Nemko


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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Marty Nemko

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This article has an impressive list of 37 references. But none of these, as required by the general notability guideline, discuss Nemko "directly and in detail". They're a mix of stories written by Nemko, and places where Nemko was quoted as an expert. He is never written about in reliable, independent sources in the level of depth that a Wikipedia article needs. Pretty much every biographical detail is unsourced; the rest is just a list of places that Nemko has been.

I tried searching, and found only a couple local news articles mostly focusing on his work in theater. But they're not really enough to show that Nemko meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 17:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 18:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG. --  Dane talk  01:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

As someone with a Wikipedia page, I am taken aback that Nemko's worthiness for Wikipedia is called into question when he had a column for The Atlantic; has a show for more than a quarter century with an NPR affiliate in San Francisco; been on Talk of the Nation, Oprah, The Today Show, 20/20, etc. Being a primary source for The New York Times and the WSJ and writing a #1 rated career guide and being #2 on the WSJ bestseller list, seems, when taken together, like considerable notability. I also note that his youtube on higher education reform has more than a quarter million views. It seems that someone must disagree with his perspectives, which makes the issue censorship, not notability. Warren Farrell, Ph.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.161.79.5 (talk) 00:24, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello to the user at 50.161.79.5. I am the Wikipedia editor who nominated this article for deletion. I'd like to try to explain my rationale in more detail and try to reassure you that this nomination comes out of a desire to improve Wikipedia, and that I don't have anything against Nemko personally. I came across Nemko's page after reading an article by him and seeing that his author bio consisted of a link to Wikipedia; I had never heard of him before then. It's true that Nemko writes for many well-known publications, but that's not what a Wikipedia article requires. For the Wikipedia article about Nemko to remain, it would have to be shown that Nemko himself has been written about in depth in reliable, independent sources; see this page for more on the guideline. That's not what I saw when I tried to look for sources. I was unable to find enough articles that were about Nemko, where Nemko is the focus of someone else's writing. Almost all of what I found was articles about careers, or college, or something else, that quote Nemko, but don't talk about him. If you're aware of articles, books, or other sources that are about Nemko and discuss him in depth, I (and I assume the other editors here) would be very interested to see them. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:53, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I feel strongly that calling into question Dr. Nemko’s Wikipedia article is unfounded. I have followed the progress and considerable accomplishments of Dr. Nemko’s career for over 40 years since we were graduate students together in education at the University of California. As a Ph.D. myself, I feel qualified to comment on his notability. He is distinguished both in education and career/workplace issues and the intersection of the two. Dr. Nemko does not hesitate to take on challenging issues and document his points of view with data and evidence. For example, in education he was a key individual in triggering the national movement to hold colleges more accountable for their enormous cost and poor value in terms of employment and learning. As evidence of that he wrote a seminal article in higher education’s publication of record, “The Chronicle of Higher Education.”  On the strength of that article, the Chronicle of Higher Education hired him to blog regularly about the need to critique higher education. His national influence on the issue extended further; he wrote feature articles on this subject for some of America's most prestigious publications: TIME, The Atlantic, and Washington Post. He was a member of the WASC (Accreditation Commission) Blue Ribbon Panel to increase higher education accountability. He even made an appearance on Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. Dr. Nemko has also achieved eminence as an nationally prominent expert in career and workplace issues. U.S. News called him "career coach extraordinaire" and "career guru.  The Public Broadcasting System (PBS) selected him as the one man in a one-man nationwide public-television Pledge Drive Special, “Eight Keys to a Better Worklife.”  In addition on a National Public Radio station, he has the perhaps unique distinction of being for 27 years in a row doing an hour-long Sunday morning call-in radio show on career issues.  He often has speakers addressing relevant career topics and invites listeners to call in for advice.  I listen to his program often and have received feedback from friends and acquaintances how helpful his program is.   For that work, Toastmasters International named him the non-member Northern California Speaker of the Year. His book Cool Careers for Dummies reached #2 on the Wall Street Journal National Business Bestseller List.  His Wikipedia article lists many more of his publications. Having known Dr. Nemko for all of these years, I can attest to his intellectual rigor, desire to make a positive difference for people, and his courage in taking on a wide range of issues that should be addressed, but may not always be politically correct. I would hope that Wikipedia would not question his notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4202:7F20:7044:6CED:986C:A869 (talk) 04:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:BASIC...Rameshnta909 (talk) 19:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


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