Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marx's theory of history


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Historical materialism. Consensus as an unwarranted duplication of another article, with poorer quality and sourcing. (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Marx's theory of history

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As per my comments on Talk:Marx's theory of history, I've marked this page for deletion as it is almost entirely devoid of citations, and the historical materialism page (which covers the same topic) is clearly superior. Having two pages discussing Marx's theory of the materialist conception of history is redundant and confusing; I am speaking from experience as someone with approximately two years of studying Marxism under my belt - these two pages confused the hell out of me when I set out to learn. The concepts covered here are already covered (with proper citations) in mode of production. Time for this page to go where it belongs: the dustbin of history. RnRa76 (talk) 06:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment So what is the objection to this becoming a redirect? It seems like a likely search term to me. Thincat (talk) 09:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Historical materialism as they do appear to be the same thing. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy page for Karl Marx says "Historical materialism — Marx’s theory of history — is centered around the idea that forms of society rise and fall as they further and then impede the development of human productive power." Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 09:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep/merge This is one of many pages about Marxism and was created as a large spinout from that main page in 2007.  The topic is obviously very notable and any further development should be done using ordinary editing not deletion per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew D. (talk) 10:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:03, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philosophy-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect The claim that this material was split from the Marxism article, lacking the nuance placed on such a claim by the adverb "inappropriately", is somewhat misleading. Any material that could have been merged into Historical materialism should have been done so in 2007, rather than splitting an article off into a content fork. The HM page dates back to at least June 2001 (which apparently was in the days when Wikipedia was more lax about preserving page histories, as the main Marxism article was apparently "created" four months later by an edit that removed several tens of thousands of bytes from the page). If anything is worth merging, no harm will be done by preserving it in the page history.
 * Redirect I am more than happy with a redirect instead of outright deletion. RnRa76 (talk) 07:35, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Historical materialism without deleting the history in case it is ever useful. I commented above. Suggest redirect not to be undone without consensus at Talk:Historical materialism. Thincat (talk) 07:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.