Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marxist–Leninist Communist Party of Venezuela


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle). The keep comments assert notability without providing specific sources, so I can't give them much weight. The other participants prefer or are at least open to redirection as an alternative to deletion. RL0919 (talk) 00:23, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Marxist–Leninist Communist Party of Venezuela

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Non-notable political party in Venezuela. Fails WP:NORG as I could not find any sources covering the party. Note that despite the name, this is not the "main" communist party of Venezuela. That honor belongs to the Communist Party of Venezuela. This is an relatively obscure "Hoxhaist" communist party created by people who believe in the Stalinism espoused by the Albanian dictator Enver Hoxha. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 22:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 09:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Its Hoxhaist politics and the fact that it is not the main Communist party in Vzla is not a reason for deletion. Need to be certain it's not notable despite this. Tagging as the editor with most expertise on Stalinist microparties in case aware of sources. If deleted, should redirect to International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle). BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not, but given how prominent communist and socialist politics are in Venezuela it's helpful to clarify for those unaware of the fracticiousness of the communist movement that this isn't the main communist party. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 21:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Bold third relist to get some consensus. It seems to fail NORG but there has been debate whether to delete or to redirect to International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TartarTorte 18:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Our Hoxhaism article lists Red Flag Party as the only Hoxhaist party of Venezuela. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 07:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are no sources for that list, which (the list part) hasn't been edited in years... Kingsif (talk) 22:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle). No evidence of significant independent coverage in reliable sources. No evidence of real impact on any political issue, either. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 18:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since we're at a 3rd relist, I've made a more cap-in-hand appeal to to cast his eye at this article. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 01:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - basically, this is the group that broke away from Bandera Roja around 2009, in rejection of the alliances of BR with the opposition. Now we have the same issue as with many other organizations, as a clandestine party virtually all coverage is in the shape of statements and positioning. Parties like this operate through front organizations, there is no electoral participation, no public offices. However, what can be said is that among the friendly parties, there is significant attention to PCMLV. Most notably the coverage in Evrensel (a daily newspaper with significant circulation) could be referred to. --Soman (talk) 11:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability depends on providing sources. Assertions of notability that explain away the lack of sourcing is not generally helpful. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 16:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * After a borderline canvass of one of the people who created so many Communist microparty stubs, this !vote provides almost no sourcing. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 17:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you wish to call this canvassing, do so; there is no unambiguous definition of that term. But I made the appeal because I couldn't make my mind up about what I though Wikipedia should do with this material. With Soman's input, I now think either keep or an ATD but not delete.
 * Condemn my appeal if you will, but if it improves this AfD, I'm seeing good and no harm. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 12:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep- I was going to vote delete, but looking at the primary sources, and other things people have noted in particualr Soman, this does seem to be a legitimate party involved in regular political activity. There's no information here on how big they are, or if they hold any seats, but I am leaning weak keep in any case. Article does need more work. I'll also note it has survived two attempts at deletion previously as well. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * All well and good,, but what are the independent WP:RS of any of these assertions? Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 07:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect as a WP:ATD. There is the potential for notability, so I'm happy to reconsider if independent coverage is found. MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:58, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.