Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Carter (judge)


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The result was keep. Per the latter comments about coverage. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Mary Carter (judge)

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Fails WP:BASIC. Most coverage is in obituaries and provincial biographical summaries. Does not appear to meet WP:ANYBIO. Being second at something is not in itself notable, and her biography does not indicate she was involved in any high profile court decisions. As well, being "a magistrate in Saskatchewan" does not appear to meet the criteria of WP:POLITICIAN, which requires province-wide jurisdiction. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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I believe you are moving too quickly here. She was ultimately appointed to the Saskatchewan Queen's Bench. Her notability is in part recognized through a specific entry in the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan. Plus, one is speaking about a female judicial appointment in 1960 of a 1947 female law graduate. These events are in themselves significant, in my submission, at least in terms of Canadian judicial history. See the comparable Wikipedia page for Tillie Taylor, appointed at approximately the same time and to the same city. Please give this a few more days to develop.

Dreadarthur (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This article fails bot BASIC and ANYBIO. 2001:569:70DD:7500:4901:3BFE:7A95:9836 (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I would appreciate some clarification here. Are you suggesting that a Canadian Superior Court Judge is not notable, particularly if such person is one of the first female appointees in such category? Please see how she is viewed in the doctoral dissertation cited (not mine). Dreadarthur (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I believe she may be reasonably viewed as "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded", as recognized in academic scholarship, at a minimum, and in accordance with the Wikipedia criteria for notability, but would appreciate substantive arguments to the contrary. The dissertation includes news references. Dreadarthur (talk) 05:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

To be consistent, I believe that deleting this article should be referenced to how it differs from Tillie Taylor. Both Mary Carter and Tillie Taylor are regarded as of similar judicial prominence. Deleting one should call into question the deletion of the other. Yet both women are pivotal to Saskatchewan judicial history, both in terms of social justice issues and in terms of the commencement of gender balance concerns. Dreadarthur (talk) 05:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

In addition, in terms of her "basic" notability, it would appear that she "has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field", if you peruse the doctoral study, where she is significantly referenced and discussed. Dreadarthur (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Dreadarthur (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - 1st female superior court judge in her province who could hear any trial. Bearian (talk) 19:39, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article states she was the second, not the first. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * My error. No opinion therefore. Bearian (talk) 20:17, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I have included examples of two of her reported judgements, as a Saskatchewan Superior Court Judge. I don't know how many you need, before notability is established. Since most of us are not appointed to the Superior Court of anything, I would think that her status as a Superior Court judge would establish notability, though I have supplemented that by two of potentially a number of judgements. I can't find anything specifically addressing notability, according to Wikipedia, in relation to judicial appointments. I hope that what is here is now adequate. Dreadarthur (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Passes GNG from sources already showing in the footnotes, including an entry in Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan, an obituary in a major newspaper, and extensive references in a doctoral dissertation available in full online, Pernelle Jakobsen, Bench-Breakers? Women Judges in Prairie Canada 1916-1980, see for example pg. 142. These are multiple published sources of presumed reliability dealing extensively with the article subject, the essence of GNG. Carrite (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree, seems to pass GNG, for reasons notes about.Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to what's already mentioned, her involvement in efforts to reform divorce and separation law is discussed in this scholarly work. Also an Ottawa Journal profile from 1967 provides more coverage from outside Saskatchewan. --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep from evidence so far JarrahTree 00:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep. United States federal district judges are generally considered notable (we actually imported articles on all of the current ones in an automated manner). Although Canada doesn't have the same kind of split federal/state judicial system that the U.S. has, my understanding is that a full-time superior court judge is analogous to a U.S. federal district judge in terms of prestige and importance (appointed at the federal level, guaranteed tenure). That should be enough agt x  00:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep – Per a review of sources presently in the article, the subject meets WP:BASIC. North America1000 22:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


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