Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Ellen Childs


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The result was   keep.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 04:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Mary Ellen Childs

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This is the kind of article that would have been speedily deleted A7 if that option had been available when it was created, for example, such as the article about Chris Skebo recently created by User:Detroit Joe and just as recently deleted by User:NawlinWiki. Incarnatus (talk) 21:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia has plenty of articles about genuinely notable women composers.  There is no need to dig up every single non-notable woman composer in a desperate effort to refute criticisms that Wikipedia is anti-feminist.  James470 (talk) 04:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC) Don't forget that I voted "keep" on Sylvie Bodorová, a genuinely notable woman composer. James470 (talk) 04:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This one is easy. Her bio included in AllMusic and music and bio on Pandora Internet Radio are notable independent references that establish her notability as a  contemporary composer.   More notable references also pop up without much digging. Scot Johnston (talk) 11:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just to confirm, I took a quick look at news items to find really strong and highly notable news items in numerous quantity about this composer. I've added just a couple more, including a commission by the Kronos Quartet and a NY Times review.  Her article could be expanded greatly with all of the top-flight references she has.  I find her to have infallible accomplishments and references to her credit in the realm of contemporary composition.  No way to support a delete on this one! Scot Johnston (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:33, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. For what it's worth, I don't think Mary Ellen Childs is in the same class as Clara Schumann or Sylvie Bodorová.  In fact, I'd rather listen to some crap by Jennifer Higdon.  James470 (talk) 04:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Fortunately, your personal taste is not what determines notability. Childs has had her music played by TOP performers in the contemporary field (Kronos, etc.), and she's been reviewed more than once in the most credible publication in the world (NY Times) for classical/new music. She's also been played at the best and most notable new music festivals (Bang on a Can), etc. All of this makes her notable and more than worthy of inclusion. Scot Johnston (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Right, Jim's taste is not the criterion. So he likes Bodorova's music. Just goes to show you there's no accounting for taste. I maintain that Mary Ellen Childs is not notable enough. Incarnatus (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are ample sources now in the article to demonstrate notability, and plenty more such sources can be found by reading the Google News, Books and Scholar results automatically linked by the nomination process. I don't see where the idea could have come from that this article is in any way "a desperate effort to refute criticisms that Wikipedia is anti-feminist" - the only person who has made the subject's gender an issue is the author of that statement. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – significant composer, especially for percussion instruments; widely covered in music literature; her works are widely performed and their recordings are covered, too. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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