Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Houghton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Steve Quinn (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I withdraw my nomination based on the AfD discussion below and speedy keep reason #1. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Mary Houghton

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No reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject, which provide significant coverage, fails GNG and WP:BIO. Unable to determine if this also still a living person. Notability is not inherited through association with a Nobel Peace Prize winner. This does not appear to be a notable person. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment, added women and finance projects to article talkpage so participants are notified of this afd. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:00, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  21:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC) Gibson, Edie. Chicago Tribune, 16 Aug 1987 Wiseman, Paul. USA TODAY [McLean, Va] 08 Jan 1993 Geranios, Nicholas K. above was picked up by the Boston Globe  05 July 1986 Lots more article on Houghton and her role at this bank and in this neighborhood. I am sure that other archive searches will have similar. Keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Innovative bank spurs renewal of South Shore, Geranios, Nicholas K., Chicago Sun - Times 06 July 1986
 * BANKING ON A NEW PHILOSOPHY, ]
 * ''Investing in inner city // Chicago bank redefines role in community, : [FINAL Edition]
 * 'DO-GOODERS' AT BANK REVITALIZE CHICAGO'S SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD,
 * With all due respect, all of the links provided go to an empty ProQuest Log In page. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * She appears to get only passing mention here "The New Old-Fashioned Banking". R. Grzywinski. Harvard Law Review. 1991.
 * Normally I don't provide a link for searches, but here is a relevant Google Newspaper search . All I am seeing is her being quoted in an entire news story or passing mention in an entire news story. If someone can find a few articles that cover her specifically, then that would be good. Sorry to say, I don't have the time to go through many of these. But I support the effort by anyone else. Steve Quinn (talk)
 * User:Steve Quinn, an alternative way to support the effort,, is to withdraw your nomination and just leave the page togged for improvement.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Proquest Newspapers is behind a paywall; it is easier to use this paywalled archive when looking from material form the 1980s, 90s.  Those articles and the many others found in that archive  are valid sources for WP and AFD, and would readily enable an editor to write a good article on Houghton.  Non-paywalled searches on topics form a generation ago can take a little longer, but produce material like this form the Chicago Tribune, "South Shore Bank Spreading Its Creed," May 30, 1988|By R.C. Longworth.  .  We need an article on South Shore Bank, and one on Chicago Mary Houghton .  2 notable topics.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:53, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note User:Steve Quinn discovered  that  "South Shore Bank" is now called ShoreBank, and has an article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:45, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same - that we need an article on South Shore Bank. Please go to this article's talk page, I have some ideas I'd like you take a look at. Steve Quinn (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * copying my comments from Talk:Mary Houghton here, My point about Houghton meriting an article has to do with the fact that people who were well known 2 or 3 decades ago sometimes get deleted simply because too few editors have access to newspaper archives, whereas contemporary notables are easy to source. I may or may not be able to make time to go back and take a more careful look at Houghton, source, and improve her article but I certainly saw enough to think that someone definitely should do so (or, do some good archive searches before recommending deletion.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * on the chance that you have a moment to look at this 1980s Chicago banker.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * per - I am withdrawing my nomination, based on the fact she is probably a notable person, and simply tagging this article for improvement.
 * I am copying the other (brief) talk page comments below :


 * As I said, I was thinking the same - that we need an article on South Shore Bank. Also, I'm not sure what you meant by "one on Chicago" (I wish there wasn't an article on Chicago, so I could write it - well, you could help me Smile_eye.png ). There is an article on Wikipedia named ShoreBank - is this the wrong title?


 * Anyway, I propose that we combine all of these elements into one new article - I'm thinking "South Shore Bank". It seems, there are plenty of references that pertain to this bank. In this way, we can have a whole section on Mary Houghton, and other sections about other people involved. I am willing to withdraw my nomination on this basis.


 * Also, regarding ProQuest - I think I can access these at via my public library online. I think there is no worry about a pay wall for these.


 * Well, let me know what you think and if you have any other ideas. I'll probably withdraw my nomination if you insist, but I'm not sure there is more than passing mention about Houghton in any given article. Of course, these might be useful for building an article piecemeal per COREDEPTH. However, my preference is to have everything in the South Shore Bank article. Yet, it seems you are proposing at least two articles on the AfD page, but I am not sure what the second one is supposed to be. Steve Quinn (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is the same bank. If you scroll down the older name appears, and the name change.  Nice work.  I'm not certain about Houghton.  There's nothing special about ProQuest, whatever new archive your library has access to will  provide many of the same articles, and some newspapers - too few, sadly - have searchable, online archives.  My point about Houghton meriting has more to do with the fact that people who were well-known 2 or 3 decades ago sometimes get deleted simply because too few editors have access to newspaper archives; whereas contemporary notables are easy to source.  I may or may not be able to make time to go back and take a more careful look at Houghton, source, and improve her article but I certainly saw enough to think that someone definitely should do so (or, do some good archive searches before recommending deletion.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's better to keep all of this on the AFD page. Also, You are allowed to withdraw your deletion nomination, since no one has yet iVoted to delete.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:46, 14 September 2016 (UTC). Copied here by Steve Quinn from this article's talk page ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


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