Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Jane Woodger


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The result was delete. A fairly close call, but I do think that there is a meeting of the minds that the subject, while accomplished, does not enjoy the level of notability needed for a stand alone article. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Mary Jane Woodger

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As far as I have been able to determine, this person fails both WP:ACADEMIC and WP:AUTHOR.  White Whirlwind  咨   01:09, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete. One book with 6 holdings (WorldCat) and no claim to notability beyond what the "average professor" does (prof X has studied Y). Agricola44 (talk) 13:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC).
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 * Weak keep. This is a tricky one. The subject is only an associate professor, and academically looks to be an ordinary academic, but lots of hits in the Deseret News shows that she is a big figure in Utah and/or Mormon academia, and someone that the local newspapers turn to for comment. StAnselm (talk) 08:53, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * weak keep her work is cited by other authors, scholars . She is the author of a  number of books, which should be added to the page.  There is, of course, the usual lds problem, i.e. she gets covered fairly heavily  in Deseret,  and  other lds publications.  Her faculty page  and this one  show some accomplishment, a Utah Historical Society Prize.  But the main thing is that her books do get reviewed in Deseret, , , .E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:24, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete yes, she is cited but not much. Fails WP:ACADEMIC and WP:AUTHOR. The WP:GNG problem with just the coverage in Deseret News, is that it is not significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. --Bejnar (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Cited on issues like this, and, therefore, linked from wikipedia pages like George Albert Smith.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Exactly. I did not say that the Journal of Mormon History was not a reliable source, nor that Woodger was not a reliable author.  We are talking about notability.  In this case it was a passing mention in a biographical article in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought.  --Bejnar (talk) 02:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - I think the most any of her work as been cited is "4". Clearly does not pass WP:NSCHOLAR, lack of independent coverage of her work also makes them clearly not pass WP:AUTHOR. The coverage is very localized, and this is the part which is the most difficult, but I don't believe it rises to the level where she passes WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * keep - per pass of WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Would you care to share with us the multiple reliable, independent sources in which she has significant coverage? Yes, coverage in the Deseret News, so you need not repeat that. --Bejnar (talk) 00:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Note In addition to Deseret, Woodger gets coverage in the Daily Herald (Utah). Mormons read it, but it is totally independent of the church.  And, as always needs to be pointed out with Utah Mormon AFDs, although Deseret is indirectly church-affiliated, it also covers Mormon-related topics for the same reason the Boston Globe intensely covers Irish-related topics  and the Miami Herald intensely covers Latinos topics: it's what the readership wants.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I found two articles that mentioned her at Utah's Daily Herald. One from 2011 was just a list of speaking engagements which listed one of hers (no substance). The other was a review of the book that she co-authored with Susan Easton Black, New book spotlights LDS women of great accomplishment; unfortunately, it did not contain substantive coverage of Mary Jane Woodger. --Bejnar (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete does not seem to have good enough coverage. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 22:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


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