Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marzena Kamizela


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Marzena Kamizela

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Per WP:BLP1E: asserts notability as a model, but coverage is limited to a minor air rage incident w/ sources demonstrating no career-wise depth of coverage. Has no Swedish Wiki entry, which further indicates non-notability to me.  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 19:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * She is mentioned in relationship with the on-going debate on the plane companies zero-tolerance regarding normal Nordic behavior abroad and lack of respect of the sideeffects on flying anxiety. Her case is also believed to be important in relationship with the blatant discrimination made on poor passengers compared with rich ones. As it is mentioned in her article the international standard for cases of air-rage was made with the Peter Buck case. The plane company did choose to abandon her on an rural and backward area where the culture calls for strict punishment of outsiders. The article should not be deleted. Maybe it should be integrated with other articles. 62.243.186.70 (talk) 21:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that the article should stay. The reason that she has no page on the Swedish wikipedia is that she is half Polish. Lately non-swedish ethnic groups have caused a lot of disturbance and crime in the south of Sweden. They are in a process of rewriting their story, so she will have to be on the Polish wikipedia instead because then the right wing part of their parliament can claim that she was yet another foreigner going beseark. That does not make her less Swedish or known overthere. 87.48.134.50 (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC) — 87.48.134.50 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I changed ISP April 1 2009 and used to operated under 81.19.225.98. 87.48.134.50 (talk) 07:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The article should stay. She is properly on the Polish wikipedia rather than the Swedish because people from Eastern Europe have a bad reputation in the nordic countries after Poland has joined EU. Second she is a symbol of the injustice committed by airline companies. Next time they will properly drop gay passengers off in Iran, so they can be hanged. She was of no danger to the plane, so they should have given her to the US authorities or the authorities back in England. But the court system in UK has made a clear statement with the Peter Buck case, so that's maybe who they choose to drop her off in that hell-hole. I am Danish. I have seen Southpark. I know what this country stands for. 80.160.33.94 (talk) 08:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Comment "A symbol of the injustice committed by airline companies"?  Kamizela got drunk on a plane, went into a rage, and spent a week in jail for it.  The event has no apparent importance, and it's still just one event.    Mbinebri   talk &larr; 13:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As it states in the Swedish newpapers, she took the treatment for flying anxiety which by most house doctors is to drink alcohol and combine it with one sleeping pill. The Swedish expert in the local newspaper confirmed that this widespread approach can backfire in some cases. It seems that the Polish media is full with articles about her. Maybe you can google translate something there. I believe that there is more to her story than just this incident but I havn't time right now to investigate. If you choose to remove her, you can remove May Andersen also. I support that it was injustice. A similar incident happened with the Danish actor Ole Thestrup and it was also a miscarriage of justice. I have been flying to Spain in 70's a lot and it is normal for people to get drunk. The plane companies prefer it and continues to serve free alcohol for that purpose. Covergaard (talk) 14:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete unless she can be shown to be notable as a model. This is what BLP One Event and Do No Harm is properly about--a single incident having no connection with any underlying notability, for a not very well known person, that shows them in a poor light. If she is notable as a model, then the article must be rewritten around that, not this incident. DGG (talk) 03:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep. The case brought so much outrage in the nordic countries where people are tired of the arrogant behavior of the plane companies. Maybe if it is deleted it should be merged into the air rage article. Her approach to fight flying axience was (alcohol+pills) by the book if you ask family doctors here and it just went wrong. But while people have been busy critizing the lack of modeling information in English about her, none have tried to locate info in the Polish language. Are articles on this wikipedia to be US centered or on world-wide-view Covergaard (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The article centers on a routine incident involving someone who does not seem to notable for anything else. Air rage is quite common. Maybe it could be merged into an article on "unusual behavior on public transport", or something like that. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, nothing more significant about this person than about many others, and definitely notability isn't proven. Nyttend (talk) 04:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. If a different-language Wikipwdia has standards that allow her inclusion there, it's a separate matter. Drawn Some (talk) 20:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.