Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mascots of Brazilian football sides


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of association football mascots. I just chose a merge suggested by User:Spiderone. Feel free to suggest other merges on the appropriate talk pages. Missvain (talk) 04:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Mascots of Brazilian football sides

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 * As per WP:LISTN - One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources - I see no evidence of that for this topic.
 * WP:LISTPURP - this list is not informative, it does not aid in navigation (none of its entries are notable) nor is it useful for development purposes.
 * WP:ATD - this could potentially be merged to List of association football mascots, another list with its own issues, though. I'm also strongly against merging anything that's basically WP:OR.

Mascots are a notable topic but I'm not sure that an exhaustive list of mascots in Brazil is a notable topic. I also don't believe that having a mascot is a distinctive feature. Several football teams, whether pro, semi-pro or amateur, will have a mascot of some form. This is no more notable than a list of football physios or football kits or football chants. Spiderone 22:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone  22:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Mascots of major sports teams always get media coverage. That's why we have plenty of these list. Category:Association football mascots   D r e a m Focus  02:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Any evidence of this media coverage for these Brazilian mascots? Most of the articles linked are not similar to this one. FIFA World Cup official mascots tend to get a fair amount of coverage but that doesn't mean that this topic can inherit notability from that. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a bit of a flawed argument in this particular example as the only similar article is List of J.League mascots and I'm not sure that there's yet strong community consensus that that is notable. Spiderone  08:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.theguardian.com/football/gallery/2015/jun/23/strange-terrifying-world-football-mascots-in-pictures covers them as a group, and then you can search for any individual name and find coverage for it such as https://www.boston.com/sports/soccer/2018/07/05/brazil-canary-mascot-world-cup  D r e a m Focus  02:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * World Cup mascots generally get good coverage and the article FIFA World Cup official mascots is warranted. My issue is that Brazilian club mascots are not covered as a group by reliable sources. Your Guardian source only briefly mentions one Brazilian mascot. Spiderone  08:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the Guardian article not loading up for you? It list all the mascots.   D r e a m Focus  11:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not the version I am seeing. The version I am seeing is a photo gallery of mascots from countries as diverse as Scotland, Germany, Russia and Australia.  Only one of the photos is of a Brazilian mascot (and the inclusion of one photo in a gallery, with a one-sentence caption, hardly constitutes significant coverage) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Whoops! I should've looked closer at that.  Anyway, if anyone speaks the Portuguese language, they will surely find coverage of them.  Sports magazines give coverage to them, newspapers, etc.   D r e a m Focus  11:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - why is this notable? GiantSnowman 11:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - if this wounds up getting kept, it should be renamed to List of mascots of Brazilian football clubs because a) it's a list and b) "sides" is too informal a term to use in an article title -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article was doing just fine for 15 years. Sides could be renamed to clubs though. Ludost Mlačani (talk) 19:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * An article existing for 15 years doesn't mean that it meets our inclusion criteria. Spiderone  22:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  23:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Question - has anyone managed to find any reliable sources that explore this topic at the required level of detail? Spiderone  19:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge Agree with the AfD proposal, I want to merge. Arsonxists (talk) 05:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm starting to lean that way too. The list isn't huge so it's an unnecessary fork Spiderone  09:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per all above. A Google search reveals many articles discussing groups of soccer mascots, generally by league, theme, or country rather than all mascots globally, but it's better to merge them all into one place rather than fork by these categories given the circumstances. Smartyllama (talk) 15:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Where would you merge it to? Category:Lists of mascots shows other such lists, but I don't see where this one could be merged to.   D r e a m Focus  16:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say List of association football mascots is the most obvious target Spiderone  22:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


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