Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashrafe (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Looks like all keep arguments were by the same user in the form of sockpuppets and haven't convinced anyone else anyhow. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Mashrafe (song)

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Fails WP:NSONGS & WP:GNG (didn't ranked on national or significant music or sales charts, didn't won any award, have no review from any independent source). I'm from BD & i even never heard of this song. Thing is mashrafe mortaza is very popular, anything related to him gets media attention very easily but it doesn't mean everything notable. this artilces has some news source but the main subject of news is Mashrafee rather than the song. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * note: This article is created by User:Rasi56 who is a sock of Hafiz ansi Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

this song was written by Robiul Islam Jibon, he is enough famous,composed by Rumman Chowdhury. If you don’t heard then It's your fault. And yes why not if song about any famous person it also boost the views. And talking about charts maybe you don’t know in bd spotify or online music platform don't use by musicians commonly,so that's why bd artist you can not get any online chart list like uk,usa,au artists. and you know that Youtube is popular in bd. And all bd notable/non-notable release song in youtube. And “Mashrafe is a famous person that's why everything get attention”. Does it make senses?? So for this reason if any book/music use Mashrafe name or dedicated/related to him then it is not notable?? And song is by his name "Mashrafe" then news should be publish on his name first "new song release Mashrafe " Such as bad thinking of your! Look at our neighbours country India's admin they are more focus on create new article about their artists /sportsperson and always protect there article, but bd admin is different sorry to say. Thanks. Rasi56 (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC) - Sock of User:Hafiz ansi (Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies for jumping into this discussion, but the following statement (And the most important thing is writter and the composer of the song is notable enough) is untrue according to INHERITED. Notability is not inherited, and I would advise instead proving the song has received a significant amount of coverage so it satisfies GNG. That would make a stronger argument. Aoba47 (talk) 01:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I just said because above one is commenting just because of song by "Mashrafe" name thats why it gets coverage. I just said writer and composer also famous. And beside this the song is independently got a significant coverage and famous   - Rasi56 (talk)
 * As i said before, Most of sources' subject is Mashrafe Mortaza, not the song. Song have no review, no source claimed it's became famous. Below i tried to analyze all of source:

--আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

the song name is "Mashrafe" by his own name. So It's obvious to mention that "Mashrafe song release", If it was different name then you claim that no his song not release independently. I think you didn’t understand the conflict. And this song got significant coverage there have many " Mashrafe" song if you search on internet you will found. But this song has maximum coverage. If just issue is "Mashrafe" then every song  got kinda 15/20 difference in coverage. But when you look at this song compare to "Mashrafe" title other song this one is significant song. Rasi56 (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC) - Sock of User:Hafiz ansi (Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't confuse with person name mashrafe & song name mashrafe. When source says "Musical tribute to Mashrafe" or "song about mashrafe", they mean person name mashrafe. One line in the source ("Mashrafe song release") doesn't make the song notable. And no, i'm not talking about other song, i'm talking about this thing. It's doesn't matter if this song got 10-15 coverage, when all of coverage are trivial, press release and not independent, not significant. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep : I heard this song in 2-3 events in 2018, when I was in UK. I read an entire article about this song in a UK magazine approximately a year ago, "Western daily express" maybe! I can't remember properly. In USA this song is also famous in bengali community. It satisfies GNG. about WP:NSONGS, heard that online streaming platform is not popular in bd that's why there have rare chartlist online compare to others country where chartlist for a song is normal. Only YouTube platform is widely use in bd. If this song got significant coverage then there is not issue at all. Hafiz ansi (talk) 20:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC) - Sock master of Rasi56 (Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I see no source says it famous even in Bangladesh. After song got released, there are couple of press release, promotional type news and not a single one is actually independent/significant coverage. Even no follow up coverage/review. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:15, 17 August 2019Thanks Hafiz ansi (talk) 21:39, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't wanna argue with anyone. And I'm american-bengali I know better than you. Don't be so hyper, it will be (keep or delete) soon so don’t give forcefully your opinion on others. Thanks Hafiz ansi (talk) 21:39, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No need for argue. Just provide independent/significant source for your claim. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 23:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Deletion discussions are precisely where you should argue and provide evidence to prove your claim. Please take a look at WP:SOURCESEXIST. I have to agree with the nom on this one, you'll need to provide multiple reliable independent sources to prove this song is notable. To, "I never heard of it" - this type of comment is exactly what you should avoid in a deletion discussion per WP:IKNOWIT. I hope my above comments makes sense. Masum Reza 📞 03:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Masumrezarock100 I know & kindly ignore that one line. so far i didn't argue for that. Thanks --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 04:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

*weak keep there have problem with WP:NSONGS. I think if this song have any online chartlist then there will be no arugue about that, but online Music platform isn’t for south asians country. They are more reliable on youtube, per sources it seems notable -Andy Kearns (talk) 03:38, 18 August 2019 (UTC) - Sock of User:Hafiz ansi (Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Could you please provide urls of the sources you think are reliable? Also even if a source is reliable, it doesn't necessarily contribute towards notability. It must be independent and the subject needs to have significant coverage (not passing mentions) in those sources. Masum Reza 📞 03:54, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * search on google its look like significant and GNG per english and bengali script both. I found an entire article about this song on uk news.Andy Kearns (talk) 05:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC) - Sock of User:Hafiz ansi (Sockpuppet investigations/Hafiz ansi) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Non notable song per WP:NOTINHERITED. did this song break any charts ? no. there are some WP:ILIKEIT keep votes above but fail to provide any independent reliable source that can prove the independent notability of this song. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note User:Rasi and Andy Kearns have been blocked at Sockpuppet investigations/Andy Kearns-- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspected that. But never thought of opening a SPI case. Masum Reza 📞 17:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete In 2015, Risingbd.com echoed what the songwriter posted on Facebook, with no independent analysis. The second week of April 2017, ten media sites published essentially identical announcements, that a lyric video of the song had been posted on YouTube. The ten are not intellectually independent of each other, all being based on the same YouTube posting. They are not arms length from the song because they repeat the songwriter promoting it, without critical analysis. They add no new significant coverage because their only non-promotional content (lyrics and credits) simply recaps what is in the lyric video. The remaining sources, two page on ESPNcricinfo, don't mention the song. Does not meet WP:NSONG or WP:GNG. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 17:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't see how it has WP:SIGCOV in multiple independent WP:RS. Also it fails additional criterea WP:NSONG. Masum Reza 📞 17:50, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


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