Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masih (title)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  05:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Masih (title)

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Redundant content fork of Messiah. Pepper Beast   (talk)  17:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect cookie monster  (2020)  755  18:09, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Messiah . ☆★  Mamushir   ( ✉✉ ) 19:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as standalone article - Considering Islam's unique understanding of Messiah, this should be a page of its own. As such, the page should be renamed as "Messiah in Islam". Maqdisi117 (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Christ (title) - "Masih" is literally just the Arabic translation of the Hebrew Mašíaḥ or the Greek Khristós ("anointed", whence the English "Christ"). The Arabic ʿĪsā al-Masīḥ just literally means "Jesus the Anointed" (i.e., Jesus Christ, or Jesus the Messiah). Scholars refer to this concept in English as "Messiah". Per wp:commonname, an article on that topic should be called Messiah in Islam, just like we have Messiah in Judaism. This is currently a redirect to the section on Islam in Messiah, but could perhaps be developed into a separate article on that topic (though the overlap with Jesus in Islam would probably be too great, since in Islam as in Christianity, al-Masīḥ/Christ is just another name for Jesus). Regardless, the article currently under discussion rather is of the nature of a dictionary definition, and it would be more helpful to redirect to the article we already have that actually explains the concept. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 05:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I should note that since SharqHabib has edited the article as announced below, it is not just a dictionary definition anymore, but effectively a redundant content fork of Christ (title); as they themselves say: "literally the same articles". It's not about Messiah nor about Messiah in Islam, but about Jesus' title Khristós/al-Masīḥ ("the Anointed"), the Islamic usage of which should properly be covered in Christ (title). ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 03:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - I just rewrote the article so as to be based on reliable sources and to make it clearer that al-Masīḥ is merely the Arabic equivalent of "Christ". Though mostly a dictionary definition again, the article now also contains some info on the creative/wrong interpretations of the word by Quranic exegetes. I guess that this material, limited as it is, makes the subject notable (if only barely). It may still be better of merged into Christ (title), but as Andrew Davidson notes below, such a decision is perhaps better left to ordinary editing. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 10:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - "Masih" is a title used by Muslims and this article is very similar to the Christ"). I improved the article a lot and added things just like in the Christ. If this article will be deleted, the Christ article should be deleted too since they both are literally the same articles, the only difference is Christ is a Christian title and it also means Messiah while Masih is a Muslim title which means Messiah too. SharqHabib 23:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 15:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   B E C K Y S A Y L E S   13:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep; significantly expanded and improved since nomination, and it contains significant Islam-specific content now. Nyttend backup (talk) 22:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * are you aware of the fact that in Arabic, the word al-Masīḥ is tied to the name ʿĪsā much like in English, the word Christ is tied to the name Jesus? There's absolutely nothing Islamic about it: the Quran is just referring to Jesus like Christians do, as "Jesus Christ" (Īsā al-Masīḥ), or simply as "Christ" (al-Masīḥ). So when our article states that the word Masih has been used 11 times in the Quran to refer to Jesus, it's really saying that the Quran refers 11 times to Jesus as Christ, which is a completely un-notable triviality. The only Islam-specific content in the article is the creative/wrong etymology of the word masīḥ given by al-Qadi al-Nu'man: this was copied from Messiah, and it certainly has its place there, but it is by far not enough to base a separate article on. Islam has its own concept of a Messiah, the Mahdi, as well as an Anti-Christ (al-Masih ad-Dajjal), but the word al-Masīḥ/Christ itself never refers to anything else but Jesus, exactly like in Christianity. That's also why you won't find any sources dealing with the title Masih/Christ in Arabic as an independently notable subject. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 23:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)  This comment has become obsolete now that I've rewritten the article; see my comment above. ☿  Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 10:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:13, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:REDUNDANTFORK states that "If the content fork was unjustified, the more recent article should be merged back into the main article." and so deletion is not appropriate. As this page is several years old and there are numerous other pages covering similar material, such as Jesus in Islam, the choice of merge target is not obvious and so the matter should be left as a matter of ordinary editing. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.