Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massachusetts Junior Classical League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Massachusetts Junior Classical League

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Non-notable state chapter of the NJCL. There are no external references and it does not pass WP:CLUB. Coverage is only local in scope and the limited sourced encyclopedic information is better presented in a sub-list of the main article, per WP:CLUB. Reywas92 Talk 23:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This could easily be sourced and it's no less notable than any other statewide high school competition.  Perhaps we should delete Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association as well, since it is only local in scope?  Mandsford 16:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Occational minor news mentions are not notability, nor do they exclude the possibility of a merged list.  Reywas92  Talk 18:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Out of scope, as we currently define WP.See my comment at WP:Articles for deletion/Illinois Junior Classical League. The state articles for the athletic organizations cover a much wider scope, and are a reasonable exception.   DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The organization is notable enough to have a page as they are the ones who coordinate grade school latin activities in the state. Also, I am a bit peeved that I wasn't notified of this debate as it looks like you are trying to do something without input from someone who might be able to help the actual page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And the national organization coordinates the states. I apologize for not notifying you, I would I have hoped you were watching the pages if you can help.  Reywas92  Talk 19:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I gave up when I ended up watching every page when I had so many. The result is I rarely watch these. No harm done. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Articles on local/state chapters do not have consensus. Note that the article says absolutely nothing noteworthy about the chapter. Abductive (reasoning) 09:05, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Local chapters of a national organization are not generally notable and there is nothing about this chapter to qualify it as notable. Since this is the third such article to come to AfD I did some looking around, and I found that this organization is RIDICULOUSLY overrepresented in Wikipedia. In addition to a dozen or so individual chapter listings, most of then containing nothing of encyclopedic value - stuff like where they had their convention and who their officers are - there is a page called National Junior Clasical League state chapters (sic, with "classical" misspelled) and there are two categories, Category:National Junior Classical League, which has five entries, and Category:National Junior Classical League State Chapters, which has ten entries. This is CRAZY. None of this is encyclopedic or necessary. The only article that is actually needed is the excellent, existing overview article called National Junior Classical League. Compare this clutter with organizations that are far more noteworthy, such as Kiwanis or Rotary or Key Club or a national fraternity, and you will find NO articles about individual chapters or subdivisions. The whole rats nest should be cleared out leaving a single article, namely National Junior Classical League. --MelanieN (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And BTW please note that I am not denying the notability of the National Junior Classical League. I'm sure it is a fine organization and I agree it is notable. I am just saying it should follow the same rules as all the other notable national organizations - and not have articles about individual chapters. (Much less whole categories to list all the articles.) --MelanieN (talk) 00:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW I not making this up; it is policy. Quoting from WP:GROUP, "Aim for one good article, not multiple permanent stubs: Individual chapters, divisions, departments, and other sub-units of notable organizations are only rarely notable enough to warrant a separate article. Information on chapters and affiliates should normally be merged into the article about the parent organization." --MelanieN (talk) 03:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Melanie, these weren't stubs until they were cleaned up. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.