Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massacres of civilian population by Israeli forces


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, only considering this particular article. If anyone believes any of the other articles listed should also be deleted they are welcome to nominate them. Petros471 17:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Massacres of civilian population by Israeli forces
Propaganda piece. kingboyk 21:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

See:
 * Merge to List of massacres as appropriate. --John Nagle 21:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep What about this article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-American_terrorist_incidents or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Israel?? Also propaganda? --Burgas00 21:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Violence_against_Israel starts off with "The neutrality of this article's title and/or subject matter is disputed." so, quite possibly it is, yes. --kingboyk 21:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hamas_suicide_attacks
 * weak keep, and this is ONLY on the condition that the author goes back and documents the incident, numbers killed, with references. Otherwise, delete as unverified propoganda. Akradecki 22:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:POV and WP:OR. Any article that starts by defining the terms of its title has to be subjective. In the interests of balance you might want to list the others mentioned too (the Hamas one seems the best referenced but still quotes other Wikipedia articles as sources). Yomangani talk 23:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:POV and WP:OR. Particularly with statements such as, Large scale civilian casualties resulting from airstrikes in urban areas are also considered massacres, which clearly states an opinion as a fact. --TheFarix (Talk) 01:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per TheFarix. WP is not a soapbox. Qana massacre for example is a redirect to 1996 shelling of Qana. The other linked pages are already covered by other massacre topics. Most of this subject matter is covered by Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. &mdash; RJH (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You have clearly not read Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict properly. Practically none of these massacres are covered correctly in this article which happens to be extremely biased and POV. I still don't understand why there can be articles on violence against Israelis and not one on violence caused by the Israeli army.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Israel
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks_against_Israel_in_2003
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2002
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2001
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hamas_suicide_attacks
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_terrorism
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_committed_during_the_Al-Aqsa_Intifada
 * etc....

Why are none of these listed for deletion? --Burgas00 16:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? Let's take the 2002 just as an example: it is detailed and referenced. I wish this point could be communicated so much louder on WP: reference your articles!Akradecki 16:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That redirect (Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2002) could certainly be listed for deletion though, as it is a POV redirect to Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2002 Yomangani talk 23:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep but like Akradecki, much more detail of required of dates, locations, casualty numbers etc. Furthermore, if there is to be a NPOV, the author needs to distinguish between deliberate mass killing (massacre), and missing a legitimate military target.  If this is not quickly done, the article should be a Delete.
 * Delete per Thefarix Isarig 17:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I agree with Burgas00. --PEAR 20:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

as it seems to me to be a needlessly POV redirect to an only partially related article (in that the article covers violence in the conflict in general not just against Israel). If it is deleted I will list the 2001 and Palestinian terrorism redirects as well, as they suffer the same problems. Yomangani talk 18:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as the title itself practically screams loose tigers, so there is no way to make this an NPOV article. JChap  T  /  E  20:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: Title has POV problems. Article has serious verifiability issues. --Hetar 21:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Retask - there is not a single citation in this list, and the title is inherently POV, as demonstrated by the first sentence: "deliberate and direct". If cannot be retasked, then Delete. Note that this applies to all of the above articles as well, if they do not fit the requirements of neutrality and verifiability, which this articles does not. --Golbez 22:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Votes for deletion/List of massacres committed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada This article which is exactly the same as the present one, was kept.--Burgas00 23:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That is unfortunate, perhaps you should bring it up again, or at least suggest a retasking or renaming. I don't see how an AFD from over a year ago is supposed to sway me, and I'm sad that you thought it would matter. There is no settled law on wikipedia. --Golbez 06:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've listed Terrorism against Israel in 2002 for deletion
 * Comment: If its the title that is a problem, does anyone have any proposals for a modification?--Burgas00 10:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.