Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massimo Gabutti


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The result was   no consensus. SarahStierch (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Massimo Gabutti

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I've been mostly coming up empty for reliable, secondary independent written articles about this producer. Sure, he's done work for a lot of artists that have appeared on the official Italian record charts, but, among other citation style, organization and English spelling and grammer issues, most of the sources currently be used here are either unreliable discog pages, youtube videos, or links to other Wikipedia articles, and the reliable sources being used are mostly covering Eiffel 65 in-depth. Just because somebody produced an album for the group that sold 3,000,000 copies doesn't mean the producer is notable, cause remember, Notability is not inherited. I would suggest somebody clean up the page in case sources happen to be found to keep the article, but as of now, I'm suggesting a delete of this article due to notability concerns. 和DITOR E tails 03:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Can I also mention that the creator of this page appears to have only been active in January 2009? Appearently, this is the only article he has edited, save his user page. 和DITOR  E tails 01:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear Editors, Thank you for having me included in the loop and sorry for the late replay

I concur with most of the problems pointed out by EditorE, and really I feel the article should contain more secondary sources.

The problem I found though, is that most of the secondary sources and interviews are in Italian like the followings: SuperEva guide, ZioMusic professional Magazine ,  DJMAG Italy

I guess is a quite common problem to face when writing in english about a somebody  that is  notable in his own country, but just episodically successful  in the USA market. There are few interviews in english.

Maybe a solution to this problem might be either to extract the most relevant parts of the interviews and translate them, or as an alternative, to point to a Google translate url and include the page

As EditorE rightly points out most of the USA and International success of this producer comes from the hit single “Blue (Da ba dee) “ and the album “Europop”.

Anyway two facts should be considered: 1)This Producer has constantly performed  successfully in the Italian charts before and after the 1999 USA success,  as stated by the charts.

Before 1999:

1993 Bliss Team's "People Have The Power" (peak#7) 1994 Da Blitz "Stay With Me" (peak #1) "Let Me Be" (peak #11) 1995 "Movin On" (peak #1), "Take Me Back" (peak #4) 1996 "I Believe" (peak #8)

After 1999:

2002 Gabry Ponte “Geordie” (Peak#15) 2003 Eiffel 65 "Quelli che non hanno età"  (Peak#4) "Viaggia insieme a me” (Peak#10) Una Notte e forse mai più (Peak#14) Gabry Ponte “La Danza Delle Streghe (Peak#5, 2003/04) 2008/9 Dari “|Sottovuoto%20Generazionale Sottovuoto Generazionale “(Peak#10) 2010 Dari “In Testa” (Peak#12)

2)“Blue (Da Ba Dee), has been the biggest EDM hit single to come out from Italy, the earliest to  hit the USA charts in such a fashion, was  nominated to the Grammy in 2001 as “best dance recording”  , was used in several Hollywood OST including the new  IRON MAN III,  was included in the Playstation game RockBand and has been the only english sung tune to ever  reach the top of the  SIAE (Italian equivalent to ASCAP)  highest  publishing earnings (year 2000)   ,

“Blue (da ba dee)” has been a notable production

The motto “Notability is not inherited” is quite true: too many times people take credits just because they happen to be there at the right time.

But in this case please consider that Massimo Gabutti was the Producer, the Publisher,  one of the Authors and  the producer of the Video of this notable  hit. Same applies for all the song and videos that he produced and made it to chart position before and after “Blue”

Please have a look at this article of THE VERGE The work of this producer (the song, the video) is described as iconic of a period. I guess that might make this producer notable

But again, I feel I failed to point out this facts in the article

It was my first article and even though after that I cooperated or helped   other writers  making researches or submitting first hand informations for  articles they wrote for Wikipedia  on the subject of Italian EDM, this one has been the only one I wrote directly,  because I had an inner and precise knowledge of the  facts and data I was writing about.

If given the chance, and following the suggestion outlined by EditorE, I will try to make the article more linked with facts and more up to the formatting and grammatical wikipedia standards

A final thought: I think that a Student, a Journalist or anybody that  has to make a research  about    Italian  EDM and Dance production, would miss an important and notable protagonist if this page will be deleted

That said I wish to thank all Editors  for their  work  and any decision it will be taken  I will accept, since I know that  it will be for the good of the Wikipedia.

Thank you again for keeping in me the loop and listening to my opinion

Maxipedia (talk) 09:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * tl;dr. that sources be in English is not a requirement. That sources be reliably published, third parties with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy is a requirement. see WP:NONENG.  --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


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