Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mastan Malli


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 03:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Mastan Malli

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Completing nom for User:RegentsPark. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable mountaineer who is one of 189 people who have climbed the seven summits (the seven highest peaks in seven continents). Only Everest is truly high and the certainty of his having climbed everest is in doubt. This link verifies that someone with a similar name was on an Everest expedition but apparently was not one of those who reached the summit. --Regents Park (RegentsPark) 20:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, a total of 229 people have summited the 7-summits, of which this gentlemen was the 186th. Commercial trips are now organized for such purposes (See here, for example, for trip reservations for Aconcagua, South America's highest mountain, some of whose upcoming dates are already filled up).  Why is this such a distinction any more, eludes me.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This list of successful summiteers (on Everest) suggests that he did get to the top, but notice that between 17th and 25th May 2006, the summit was scaled 190 times. Is this really notable any more?  I don't think so.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  03:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How reliable is this list? I notice it lists Mastan Malli as being from the Philippines rather than from India. --Regents Park (RegentsPark) 03:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm not sure.  The name of the country might refer to the expedition rather than the nationality of the climbers.  I'm sure all the sherpas are not American nationals.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment:Delete if the credentials of the person is in doubt & if he really touched Everest & if links point to numerous different people with same name raising doubts. But it is established that he is the right person, the notability should not be a problem as scaling Everest is still considered an achievement. It's just like astronauts who have been in space. Most of them are notable. -- GP Pande  talk!  18:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if climbing Everest is notable any more. The day before Mr. Malli's supposed climb, 12 members from an Indian expedition summited Everest, and 6 of them were not sherpa, and very likely Indian nationals.  It's likely that Wikipedia has no pages for them.  Similarly three days later another 4 climbers from another Indian expedition got to the top.  I'm sure there are many Indian nationals who have scaled Everest more than once.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but I think mountaineering can be seen as adventurous sports. Just like WP:Cricket allows bios of players who have played in first class cricket of any country I think in this area, a person scaling Everest is also notable. If we list down all players who have played in Ranji or Duleep trophy without even getting a berth in Indian national squad then total count will be easily 10 times of 189, the figure of mountaineers who have scaled all 7 summits. There is no limit on how many bios WP should have. Requirement is that the person has done something notable and if so deserves a place in encyclopedia. -- GP Pande  talk!  11:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Everest number is a lot more than 189. Over 2,500 people have climbed Everest.  In 2007, in the little window of five days that the mountain condescended to allow human visitors, there were 260 successful summit climbs.  That is more than 50 a day.  For the 7-summits, the oldest climber was more than 75 years old.  This gentleman's website claims he is/was the fastest 7-summiteer, but that's not true either, according to Seven Summits, and never was.  The fastest climber (who has a Guiness Book citation) moreover doesn't have a Wikipedia page.  Apparently, Mr. Malli has now given up on "mountaineering," and is planning to run marathons in each of the 29 provinces in India.  I'm just concerned that the Wikipedia page is being used by the gentleman (or some fan) for publicity.  But, since I arrived here accidentally, this is as far as I go with my opinions.  Regards,  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  19:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't imagine how he could possibly be seen as notable, unless we grant Pande's idea of him being an sportsperson competing at the highest level of amateur competition (sorry for the redundencies!). Good idea, but I really don't see how this is sufficient: we grant professional and top-level amateur sportspersons automatic notability because it's assumed that sources will be written about them, but I don't think we should assume the same about mountaineers — especially because it's not a competitive sport, so it's much harder to measure the "winners" and the most "successful".  Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep You guys sucked me in by renominating. I'm afraid this character is notable if the article content can be verified. How many people from India have climbed all 7? Andhra Pradesh? And are we to believe there wasn't substantial media coverage? Plus there's the seven summits on seven different days, which seems like wonderful folklore. I have to say I think this guy has a place in the encyclopedia. But maybe I'm wrong or crazy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there doesn't seem to have been any media coverage other than a couple of fluff pieces that have obviously not verified the claims. Also, the seven summits are not universally considered an achievement. None of the seven are considered difficult and Everest is the only really tall peak and, as fowler&fowler says, approximately a gazillion people have climbed that one. --Regents Park (bail out your boat) 15:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. There, in fact, does not appear to have been significant media coverage, as evidenced by the fact that Google News has nothing on him, and a straight web search yields primarily Wikipedia mirrors. While having climbed the seven tallest mountains on each of the seven days of the week is indeed likely to be unique, it's really rather contrived, and doesn't amount to much beyond being a seven-summiter. (Which, as noted above, isn't something which we write articles about generally.) Zetawoof(&zeta;) 10:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - notability established the usual way. I see no reason to make an exception in this case; rather, we should apply the usual standards. Wily D  12:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on how notability is established? I don't see 'significant coverage', nor do I see 'reliable sources' for the claims and achievements. A google search of "Mastan Malli" reveals 119 articles, about a half of which refer back to wikipedia (a red flag by itself!) and none seem to provide the WP:RS that would verify the claims. Thanks!--Regents Park (bail out your boat) 15:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Climbing Everest has become very common. Fails WP:BIO. Edison (talk) 15:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


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